Reel Talk & Banter
Ever wanted to just sit around and make fun of an old movie with your friends? That's exactly what Reel Talk & Banter is all about. Join best friends Omari Williams and Jay Richardson as they rewatch movies that came out at least a decade ago. It's a mix of a film review and a comedy roast, where they discuss everything from the plot to the terrible acting, and even if the film has stood the test of time. Get ready to laugh and hear some hot takes on your favorite (and least favorite) classic films.
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Headbutts and Hostages: Red Eye (2005)
The moment Cillian Murphy reveals his true intentions 30,000 feet in the air, what began as an innocent airport encounter transforms into a nightmarish battle of wits. We dissect Wes Craven's taut 2005 thriller "Red Eye," where hotel manager Lisa Reisert (Rachel McAdams) finds herself trapped beside the charming but deadly Jackson Rippner during a red-eye flight to Miami.
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Welcome to the Real Talk and Banter Podcast. I am Omari Williams.
Speaker 2:And I'm Jay Richardson.
Speaker 1:And we're going to sit down here for our inaugural podcast and go through the movie Red Eye. Yes, yes, so let's just get right into it. Would you like to say some words on this, or would you like me to give you some information on this movie?
Speaker 2:You know what I feel like. I would love some information about this movie.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:It's been a while since I've seen it.
Speaker 1:Well, you should have watched it a couple days ago in preparation for this.
Speaker 2:I mean let's not talk about that, let's not do that.
Speaker 1:All right, so Red Eye 2005 thriller flick. It was released August 19, 2005. The cast main cast Rachel McAdams. Hottie Kili, yeah, hottie McHottie. That's in my notes, that is in my notes later, killian Murphy, brian Cox. Hottie make, hottie, that's in my nose, yeah, that is in my nose. Later, uh, killian murphy, brian cox, and we have a jack scalia and jaima maze as well. So my notable quick facts before we we dive into what happens in the movie is directed by wes craven this is crazy who?
Speaker 1:knew, yeah, I mean yeah, we may know from different horror movies such as Nightmare on Elm Street, the Scream movies, hills have Eyes, one of my personal favorites and Vampire in Brooklyn. That surprised you seeing Wes Craven as the director of this right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it did. Actually, I didn't realize it was him.
Speaker 1:You're a big Wes Craven fan.
Speaker 2:I do like Wes Craven a lot. I think that he's strange and all his movies are strange, so things are starting to align a little bit how strange this got, but then also kind of a comical take on the movie here.
Speaker 1:Oh, in one of my notes, I think when I did my synopsis, I said not a synopsis. My like how I felt about it is it's funny in places. I don't think it's meant to be, I did laugh, a lot.
Speaker 2:I laughed. I'm like I don't think that was supposed to be funny. But all right, I know.
Speaker 1:I was cracking up, all right. So the movie opened to $60 million domestically. Second to what 2005 movie? There's some trivia for you here.
Speaker 2:Oh man In 2005?
Speaker 1:you here oh man in 2005 2005.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, I uh. You gotta give me a little bit of a hint steve.
Speaker 1:Steve carell is the star of the book, oh okay so 40 year old virgin.
Speaker 2:40 year old virgin, 40 year old virgin open to 21 million that weekend.
Speaker 1:Okay um 16 million for for red eye and it grossed 95 million worldwide at the end of its eight-week run. Uh, against a budget of 26 million so that actually did really well.
Speaker 2:I mean, here's what's the most of the movie is shot like in a compartment, so I mean yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, it was clearly didn't break the bank and and this was 2005,.
Speaker 1:So movies are coming up pretty quicker. Here's what surprised me. The Rotten Tomatoes score the critics' score is 80%. I was like, oh, people love this movie. Well, okay, the critics love it. The audience score is a little bit less. A lot less 64%. Not terrible, but a little more mixed. That makes a little more sense to me. The runtime one of my favorite things about the movie. It's a tight 85 minutes.
Speaker 1:You get in, things happen and you get out. I'm happy about that. Sounds like a good Friday. Last fun fact I have for you Guess what other plane-related thriller movie came out the same year later, in September of 2005? Snakes on a Plane plane.
Speaker 2:No, that's not a thriller, I mean the snakes are trying to kill people. I think that's a thriller like no, I mean it was.
Speaker 1:It was a thriller by snakes. It wasn't a thriller by people but it was still a thriller by snakes yeah, I would put these those two movies In different categories.
Speaker 2:Fine, fine fine, this movie was actually.
Speaker 1:They were like you know, those twin movies. We get at a state Like Bugs and Bugs, life and Ants Come out in the same year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's one of those situations. But the answer is Flight Plan, jodie Foster's Flight Plan, ah Okay, which I have fond memories Of that movie when I did my review research. Apparently, flight Plan is trash and hot garbage, yeah, yeah, and Red Eye is the way to go, yeah, so I need to re-watch Flight Plan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you should. I think you were a little young when you saw it.
Speaker 1:I was super young, super young.
Speaker 2:It's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, this movie didn't really win any huge awards. He got an MTV Movie Award nomination for Best Performance from Rachel McAdams, but that's really it. He won a Teen's Choice Award for Choice Thriller. Which were teens watching this movie?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I mean we were watching it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I guess. So anywho, that's it for awards. You wanna give me any thoughts before we start to get into what this movie is really about. What happened and everything like what, what was? Because I know you did rewatch it recently. Your memory of it before you watched it and then after watching it recently. What, what was the comparison there? Were you surprised by anything? Was it as good or worse than you remember? What did you think?
Speaker 2:no, I think uh again, I think it was. I think it's about the same as I remember it from the beginning, like from uh, when I was a kid I used to love this movie. I used to watch it all the time, actually, um, I was completely, completely obsessed with rachel mcadams, like completely obsessed so, um, I watched it a lot.
Speaker 2:I think as an adult watching it it became a lot more that probably wouldn't happen. So it was a lot like those kind of conversations like I don't, I don't think that would happen at any point in time. That would actually happen. But you know, uh, it was funnier, which was nice. It was a nice giggle while I was at work. Uh, shout out to work, but, um, oops I'm fast.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2:Keep that on the low keep that on the low, uh, but no, no, I it was. It was, uh, it was entertaining and it did the job. It wasn't as thriller as I think it was back then, as uh, west craven intended, but uh, it still was entertaining enough and I enjoyed it. It's a nice little and, like you said, it's a real nice tight. 85 minutes like hey, that's a good by the time you, by the time you start, it's over, it's over so let me give a quick synopsis about this movie.
Speaker 1:Right? So rachel mcadams is lisa lisa ris. Yeah, Apparently this is not funny. So her grandmother died. She's in Dallas attending a funeral. I laugh because every time if you look at the synopsis of the movie it's mentioned, it has zero bearings on the movie it really does, Other than the fact that that's why she was catching a flight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I thought? There was no little bit. It's like I wonder, well, I think it makes it a little harder by doing this, but I kind of always I kind of thought a little bit did they take out the grandmother to make her be on this flight?
Speaker 1:but then oh gosh, oh oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking about it.
Speaker 2:It's like because she was like, because when she described her she was like oh, she's healthy, and you know, obviously things happen. But I mean like it didn't seem like she was sick and it was kind of surprising. So I was like hmm, did they do this to make it like yeah? But then they made it a little harder on themselves. I don't know, but it was just kind of like I thought about it.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be part of our headcanon I, I like. I like that we might have to make a spirit corner section in the future. I like that yeah all right, go for it so grandma dies, rachel mcadam went to the funeral and now she is flying. She's flying back to miami yes, she's back home to miami. Yeah, and she runs into a handsome young, killian murphy. Uh, jackson Ripner, little on the nose there, little on the nose but uh, she runs into him in the.
Speaker 1:They even made that joke, um in the movie, right. So she runs into this guy in the um airport. You know this is a stormy night. Flights are being delayed, but they hit it off. You know, have, uh, some coffee, or no they have a drink at the bar and, you know, chat it up and then they go their separate ways. On her way to catch her flight, though she does speak to her dad, um, played by brian cox and who's at home sitting in a chair waiting for her to arrive that is what brian cox is doing, you know yeah, yeah, more thoughts about later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we'll get there, we'll get more oh okay, while she's in transit, she does speak to her friend, co-worker, employee cynthia.
Speaker 2:Cynthia yeah, not a favorite of mine.
Speaker 1:Cynthia spazzes out real easy, yeah she's trying to hold things together at the. At the hotel, while lisa makes her return, there's a very important guest played by jack scalia. This is charles keith, who is the secretary of defense. Uh, he and his family will be staying at the hotel. Lisa makes it onto the plane, finds out that killian murphy is sitting next to her. Oh, what a coincidence. Wrong, killian murphy orchestrated this whole thing and revealed that he has a plot to get Lisa to move the Secretary of Defense to a different room so that the assassins that he has sitting on the bay in a boat can assassinate the Secretary of Defense, so that Cillian Murphy can fulfill a contract that he was paid to do.
Speaker 1:Antics ensue on the plane. Lisa tries several times to warn someone, to get attention and Cillian Murphy is not your average bad guy, because he is too smart for that catches her and thwarts her attempts, and then, finally, she stabs him in the throat on the lame planet with a pen. Yeah, uh, she stabs him using the distraction to escape commandeers a vehicle to go warn her dad. After calling the hotel and telling Cynthia to get Charles Keith and his family to safety, somehow Killian Murphy sorry, jackson Rittner catches up with Lisa at her dad's house. Jackson is eventually slain by Brian Cox, who is in this movie, shoots Jackson Rittner dead, and that is a quick synopsis of what this movie is.
Speaker 2:That's literally the whole movie. I think you yeah let's get into it.
Speaker 1:So I'm I'm watching the movie and I'm watching. You know they're in the airport doing their thing. She's reading self matters, creating your life from the inside out just gifts it to this random lady in the airport saying, hey, you can have the book since you like it so much. I don't know, like Lisa, I guess she's just this nice person that she just doesn't um, she's just given. I guess is what they were trying to communicate there with her yeah, I guess that was interesting.
Speaker 1:There's some asshole guy in the line. I think his name is. No, his name is that asshole guy, but it's a rude guy or something you know. Lisa tries to step in and be a hero, yeah, and keelyan murphy. Keelyan murphy comes in to handle the situation which actually becomes thematic of this movie. It's like lisa's like doing her best to be like the hero of this movie, but she, she never is because even dealing with that altercation, she couldn't handle it and like, at the end, like already said, she's not even the one that stops Jack.
Speaker 2:This is true, this is true, this is true, I have some problems.
Speaker 1:I have some problems with that. You know, the unaccompanied minor. I'm like what is her mom doing that she can't send that? She sent an 11 year old girl on this plane in the middle of the night by herself. This by herself.
Speaker 2:Is this true? I don't know. I mean, I mean, I've ridden an airplane like you know that young before by myself.
Speaker 1:Was it a? I was by myself. Was it a red-eye flight in the middle of the storm?
Speaker 2:I mean, it was not a red-eye flight in the middle of the storm, okay, but it sounds like it probably wasn't intentionally that late delays and stuff like that so she probably ended up on the red uh, red eye flight instead of just like a red or whatever her normal flight was. Um, I doubt you would send your 11 year old at a midnight flight, but you know things happen and you gotta adapt. And the kid was all right, she was fine, she almost saved the day.
Speaker 1:She turned out to be pretty good. I was a fan of of unaccompanied minor that she's listed in my notes here. Listen right 10 minutes into this movie, at the 10 10 mark, lisa renz bumps into that lady and spills a coffee all over her. You know, at this point in time I I had to make a random note. My note states rachel mcadams is gorgeous, my god, she is so beautiful and I'm like I'm like you're distracted. I mean, don't get me wrong, kelly murphy with those blue eyes and stuff, these are two gorgeous people. Just you know what I'm saying. It's all movie it's hanging out. Um, yeah, she just kind of distracted the hell out of me. All right, cool.
Speaker 1:So after that, now we're on the plane and oh, no, that's not on the plane. Actually, was that on the plane? No, it was on the plane when she told him, when he said what his name was, yeah, and she's like oh, do you go by jack? And he's like no, I was like dang, I'm like all right, that's fine. And then he made a dark joke about murdering his parents jack the ripper, joke you know, and I'm like I was like all right, so he's a villain, got it.
Speaker 1:You know, like clearly, after this happened, jack Scalier.
Speaker 2:I still don't really get why they were trying to kill him. I mean, okay, like Jackson, yeah, he's just hired to do whatever he wants to do, or he's hired to do whatever he needs to do. He doesn't care who it is, he doesn't care names, just I need to do this, that's fine. But as an audience member, why do I care about them? Or dying, like I mean there was no, like well, if he dies, you know World War III is going to start, or you know there was nothing. It was just like I'm going to get you and then, oh, we're going to kill him. I'm like what it just? I was like. I mean, yeah, it'd be sad, for somebody else would just move into that spot.
Speaker 1:So I don't know what that meant Someone else would just fall into that spot. It's not like it was the President of the United States, and even if it was the President, the Vice.
Speaker 2:President would move into that spot.
Speaker 1:I didn't really like.
Speaker 2:Like what is the purpose? Why are we?
Speaker 1:doing all of this. Yeah, the stakes of the movie were not well executed At all, at all.
Speaker 2:Other than hey, other than hey. We're trying to protect this family, which, hey, yeah, of course we don't want to murder the wife and the kids and the husband who apparently does great look for him.
Speaker 1:But also that was a lot of work for this one guy and, yes, so I was wrong. The name got exchanged at the bar and then they ended up on the plane and I was like, oh wow, we're sitting next to each other. Look at that, you know, richard mcAdams bumps the hell out of her head and I'm like, is she drunk right now? Because she completely blew that. And then there's this blonde. She's listed as blonde lady. I have her listed as thirsty cougar.
Speaker 2:She wanted her bag shoved in there. Real good, yeah, can you help me. But then the thing that killed me about that scene in there real good, yeah, oh, can you, can you uh help me? But then the thing that killed me about that scene, it's like, oh, can you help me? And then when he stood up he was the same height as her. I was like girl, you could have done that, like it wasn't like she was shorter than him, she was almost I guess the bag was too heavy yeah, he's stronger I.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that was, but like she was dang near taller than him, I was like this happened. That's what she was for sure. She just wanted some attention. She wanted her bag stuffed is what she wanted.
Speaker 1:Oh damn, wow, wow, wow. So after that, um, something, oh, what happened? Something happens. Oh, the lady with the book comes over, right?
Speaker 2:first of all. Okay, let's talk about this part. I've been on plenty of planes. I swear I've never seen the people that I actually see inside like sitting waiting on the actual plane. But her, every single person that she ran into also ran into her on the plane. I was like what, what the hell For?
Speaker 1:a second I was like are we on a final destination or something? Because you're right, it's ridiculous. And then Lisa talked about her parents being divorced after 32 years. Yeah, I feel. Yeah, who throws in a towel after 32 years? Like.
Speaker 2:I'm tired of being on your feet you know, she was tired of him sitting in chairs. That's all he does. Brian Cox, the actor of his caliber just sitting waiting for phone calls she was tired of that she was tired of that. She left him. She was like I'm going back to Texas man Cowboys.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when you talked about, you mentioned about how quickly things started to move. Right, yeah, at 23 minutes I literally wrote okay, the movie is movieing.
Speaker 1:You know, because at this point in time jack said some weirdo shit yeah, yeah and he's like, oh yeah, I know who you are, I know everything all about you. I'm like, all right, let's get to it. I'm like let's get to it and like his heel turn. It was so good because he did a good job, um, being charming and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden he's like, yeah, you know the first mustache and all that stuff yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that was good. He said a bunch of weirdo shit to her, the stewardess, the stewardess, the stewardess. Her name is Susie Plaxa, the actress. I really had to like note her because when Lisa stood up to like try and like cause a scene, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she thought, sit your ass down.
Speaker 1:She said sit down and the authority. When she said that, I'm like, oh my god, who's this lady? Yeah, she was pissed off.
Speaker 2:She's like I don't have time for your drama.
Speaker 1:Sit down yeah, I thought that was cool. And then um, and then, uh, jack, jackson, jack, I'll call him jack because he turns out and starts calling her lease for the rest of the movie yeah, like they're friends, like I'm like what?
Speaker 1:like dude? You just shut down being called jack and you can't say, lisa, like, come on man, like so that was not. That was not cool. All right, the the thirsty cougar was up to some marching on again. She needed help with something else, right? And this is now when lisa speaks to the lady and tries to put the note in the book, and Jack's response to Lisa doing that was to headbutt this shit.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised he didn't break her neck. To be honest, I guess that would have been the end of the movie if he did, because that was fast and hard.
Speaker 1:Like the movie didn't do a lot of surprising things, that surprised the hell out of me. I was like, oh my god, she, she, just, he just busted her skull you know she had brain damage. I'm surprised she could talk after that oh my god, she was definitely concussed, at minimum I mean she's been concussed from the time she hit her head I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1:When later on she's like, he's like are you okay or what's wrong? And she's like you, you, you okay, or what's wrong. And she's like you, what do you mean? What's wrong? He's like well, suck it up. I'm like damn somebody so hard that your head starts bleeding. Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I was like all right, especially when they a fight. You're like, oh, I'm expecting somebody to hit me so I can kind of, you know, feel it. But you're just talking and then somebody just full force hits you in the head.
Speaker 1:You're like there's not much to do after that, so my thing with the headbutt, though, was I thought it was time sensitive exactly.
Speaker 2:Why would you knock somebody out? What was the purpose of that?
Speaker 1:she could have been asleep for the rest of the flight. And then what? I never even stopped to do this, but we're going from Dallas to Miami. What is that? A three hour flight? A two and a half hour flight?
Speaker 2:I you know so less than four hours for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we can't afford for her to be taking naps, you know, in the middle of the whole thing again.
Speaker 2:We can't afford for her to be taking naps, you know, in the middle of the whole thing again. So I think it just speaks to him like from the, from the, from the drink. It was just like she's just she. She just tested him and tested. He's unraveling, he's doing things that he probably wouldn't normally do and having to like, oh crap, let me have to fix this now. So he's kind of having to, uh think on the fly because she's unraveling him and testing him. But yeah, I don't know. I I assume he did not expect for her to pass out, but he was just like don't do that again, type of thing.
Speaker 2:But but he knocked her so hard that she passed out, because he literally knocked her out. I was like so yeah, if she was knocked out for the next two hours, I don't know what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, oh my gosh, so that that was, that was a bull, that was bull. I mean once the shock value where we're off. You think about it's like this that was a bad move, jack right. So to give us a fake out where we thought that he killed the book lady, that didn't happen, he just stole the book. Cool, so he's not, he's not totally out of control on some murder spree whoa, we, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2:We gotta go back to when she, when they initially call, when she initially calls her dad and checks and he says okay, and he's like, alright, make your call. So then she initially calls Cynthia and starts the process and then in the middle of it the phone goes out. Right, but she, being smart, keeps talking like, oh, I'm still talking to him or whatever, or her, I'm sorry, it's still time to sit down which is really good thinking on her part, but plot is gonna plot.
Speaker 2:Conveniently, the man right next to him happens to also be on the phone using the phone on the right side where he can see, oh it's going out. I'm like plot gonna plot, like who uses a freaking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean jack's not your average villain here, he's like you know, because you keep trying to. It's going out. I'm like plot gonna plot, Like who uses a freaking phone. I mean Jack's not your average villain here, he's like you know, cause she keeps trying to pull a fast one and he's like nah, homie. But you're right, it was weird that. It was weird that the other person only other person using the phone was with an eye shot for him to be like, oh, something's wrong with the phone.
Speaker 2:Right, because if he didn't see that then he would assume that she did the job and hang up and like, okay, make his call or whatever he was going to do If he wasn't going to make the call, whatever he was going to do. But at least it was done. But he just happened to plot in a plot right next to him.
Speaker 1:Right in the seat next to though, jack gives her a bottle and I'm like is he serious?
Speaker 2:he's like yeah, it's the best I can do, like what he's in his bottle in front of everybody, like you don't think that's gonna attract attention more than her just going to the bathroom. So absurd like uh, this woman is peeing next to me, like what are you doing?
Speaker 1:so lisa's all over the bathroom floor, yuck, just like crying and panicking and freaking out or whatever. And then she gets the idea oh, then you put a message here on the door, okay, cool. And then Jack, being like too much time has gone by, what the hell is going on, he buses his way in the door and, uh, he chokes her out. He chokes her out. Yeah, he's like, this is not, you're messing up my plans, lady, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, again, plot is going to plot Because, again, if she had, just If he had just waited at the path, there's nowhere for her to go, Nothing for her to really do Correct. So if he had just waited where he should have, instead of like oh well, too much time has passed by, Someone else would have walked in and seen it and be like, oh you know? I think she said 14 has a bomb, which is wild, that's wild, that's a wild statement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but okay, I almost want to see, I almost want to see the movie where someone did find that message, right To where someone did find that message, to see what would have happened next.
Speaker 2:Right, right right, that's a big swing for sure, oh my God. But I guess it would have got some kind of reaction which, okay, but he didn't.
Speaker 1:I don't think he was coming to like grab her necessarily, because she was taking too long, but he was just happening to say, hey, I'm ready, like it's, you know the phones are up, let's go, and he just happens to look up and there it is on the screen, or the uh, the mirror, saying hey, I read that different, I read that different. So at this point in time I'm like I really wrote about.
Speaker 2:Lisa needs to get it together she doesn't, she's not I mean she was all over that bathroom floor. That's just like oh my gosh, she just she tried to slip the notes.
Speaker 1:It didn't work. It's just she's blowing it.
Speaker 2:I mean she's trying hard, she's trying hard, she's trying, she's trying she's doing a lot of creative things. She's just, he's just. He's just a step ahead of her, accidentally yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1:And then, um, I did laugh at after they left the bathroom, jack said thanks for the quickie Right.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I'm like yeah, he's an asshole, yeah, and the little stewardess is like, oh, this is in a motel and he's like thanks, I know he's like okay, I know.
Speaker 1:So then where the Secret Service joins the story, keith, oh keith.
Speaker 2:Keith comes, he comes there. Secret service does some weird like sign language stuff. What the hell was that? What was this? I was like you cannot. There was man, was literally in airshot. He was standing there. Why did he do hand movements? I was like it was like three feet away from him. I watched that. I was like why did this man just do hand signals to the man that's standing right next to him, like he could be like okay, you guys go ahead, I'll follow behind or something. I know the man did youtube that way.
Speaker 1:I'm like and then so they walk me through this like room sweep right, because you're telling me that no one came ahead of the person that you are guarding to sweep the room, the building or whatever, because for them to be like, okay, we're just gonna travel with you and now we're gonna do a quick sweep. When they got there, keith was like yo, the family's really tired and he's like well, we're gonna sweep the room. And then I feel like the sun rose. So I'm like where are they? Are they in the lobby? Were they in a different room?
Speaker 2:like no, everyone was tired. I think that remember they switched rooms so they always stay in 38 25 so they probably did sweep that room.
Speaker 1:But when they switch to the random room on site though, oh that's what I'm saying, that you would have at least a couple agents on site yeah, just in case shit happened. I mean you. What use is it you're sweeping the room and then leaving the room unattended, right?
Speaker 2:right for somebody else to come by, because the maid is probably going to go in there every day to like clean up.
Speaker 1:So yeah, sweep someone back in there so that swept the room and been stationed in that room and then this time you had to move, then you, that was just. It was I don't know, it was too much. I was like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:I was over them after the hand signals when they were like two feet from each other.
Speaker 1:I was like they're not very good. This is like.
Speaker 2:I just want to show you that I'm in the CIA or Secret Service, so let me just do some hand signals, because that made no sense.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, alright, 56 minutes in Got him. Lisa stabs him in the throat with the freaking pen and books it for the closed door. Why did Lisa not wait for the actual door to be open? I have no idea, but it doesn't matter. She gets away, she takes off right, and then she's by the door. So now Thirsty Cougar is a snitch. She reveals that to us Because she's like stop that woman. She stabbed him right. And the camera pans away, pans back to her, she's gone. I'm like what Is she Batman? Because how did she just? She just just like ghosted out of there suddenly. Okay, so that was kind of funny. And then jack finding is like all right, I'm, I'm gonna nut up, pull this thing out and go pursue her. And here comes the unaccompanied minor for the win and for the win bag out drag.
Speaker 2:Jack makes his first fall of many, two or Way too many for a train killer. In the last, yeah, in the last Jack is not very athletic or nimble, jump over it. Jack is not nimble, jack is not quick. Jack did not jump over the freaking candlestick, he just tripped over it and got back up. Jack got his ass burnt.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was crazy Several times, oh my God. So now we're off the plane, right which I'm like we're in an airport.
Speaker 2:The most secure thing, the most secure building you could probably be in.
Speaker 1:Are you sure? Because those security guards were straight out of an episode of scooby-doo. Where were they going? They're just running back and forth. I'm like do you guys even know who you were chasing? I? Don't think they did you really know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:They were chasing her because she stabbed him, him, because she stole his her scarf and then threw down the uh, the flight attendant, like he's not doing well either. So I'm like I don't know who they're chasing, but they're just running back and forth. She's falling, he's falling, but they're in the airport. I'm like, how is nobody apprehend? Apprehend any of these two like this just shows me that I could just run through an airport, a federal building, and I'll be fine, because that's exactly what happened, but maybe the commentary at MIA as an airport, like they maybe think they don't have it together because it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:It didn't make any sense, and then, after all, she was booking it in the heels, though.
Speaker 2:She was booking it in the heels.
Speaker 1:I feel like if I take off from you in the airport, you're never seeing me again, right, and then Jack just finds her. I feel like if I take off from you in the airport, you're never seeing me again, right, right, and then Jack just finds her. He did, and I'm like he just finds her.
Speaker 2:I don't know why there's so many places she could have like stopped.
Speaker 2:Instead of trying to run to the exit, I would have just stopped somewhere else and be like, well, you're going to assume I go to the exit, so let me just stop at I don't know any of the other uh corridors, for you not to look at me. I don't know what that was, because he was on the first. That was a lot of time between when she left and first the doctor examined him, then he pulled out the pen, then he tripped and fell on the floor, then he knocked down the uh the stewardess, then he started running out the door.
Speaker 1:I'm like like, okay, Listen, I have here either she sucks at running away or he has a tractor in her. And then she tripped. Before I could finish contemplating she tripped. She tripped immediately and I was like, oh, she just sucks at running away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, she was in heels. She was in heels. So hey, she was in heels?
Speaker 1:Yeah, take them off, you know. So that was crazy. We're going to shift gears, all right, because so now, at this point in time, we're going back and forth between the airport stuff, and now we're doing this, they're building tension to. Oh my gosh, keith is about to get assassinated, you know.
Speaker 2:Keith and his family, his poor son and daughter and his wife. His poor family yes.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about this, this assassination thing, mm-hmm. When I see these guys reel up the fishing line, when they pull that box out, I was like, are you kidding me? Are we serious? Like we have. Okay, so your sniper rifle is underwater. Right, it was not a sniper rifle. What did these guys try? To assassinate this man with A rocket launcher. Explain to me. Explain to me. If you're going to kill him with a rocket launcher, why does it matter what room he's in?
Speaker 2:I mean they had okay. So they definitely have to make sure he's on the outside, because if he's on the inside then the rocket launcher probably isn't gonna like get to the in inward build especially it depends on what that 3825 room I think it's 3825 depends on what that room is. If it's like somewhere in the centered, like it probably is for for safety reasons, because you don't want windows and places where you can uh easily see inside, especially you know he's the secretary of defense, he might be doing some secret squirrel stuff, so they probably intentionally have it on the inside, but so it makes sense that he has to be somewhere on the outside. I don't know why they pick 4080 out of any of, or what was it 4080? But yeah, why did they pull out a freaking rocket launcher, like I mean, why? I?
Speaker 1:was positive. It was a sniper rifle. I mean that would have been so much better.
Speaker 2:Like rocket launcher is wild, like even if they shot, even if he was still in the room and they shot the rocket launcher like, you have almost zero guarantee that he actually died.
Speaker 1:He could have been like anywhere near her to like the inside of the building or the the, the elevator.
Speaker 2:And then what were you gonna do? Like you might have took out some other people I'm sorry, I'm not a munitions expert.
Speaker 1:Neither am I. Neither am I and I've never been shot at with a rocket launcher, so maybe I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I'm not a munitions expert. Neither am I and I've never been shot at with a rocket launcher.
Speaker 1:So maybe I'm thinking way too simple about this.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I played Destiny. You see how far away they were. The accuracy of that rocket launcher is going to diminish. That thing is going to just start Once like I don't know Again I should. There's some rocket launcher research we probably recorded. I just feel like when's the forces of nature, the air and all that rocket is gonna be wobbling? There's no way you could even guarantee from I mean the boat is doing.
Speaker 2:You know it's kind of in the waves and doing this thing it wasn't like a solid ground area.
Speaker 1:We're gonna hit the right room. That, oh my god. I I'm like again. I'm like I'm following the movie and I'm feeling the movie. We're okay. Some silly stuff had happened. This was the most absurd thing. Yeah, them using a rocket launcher to assassinate this guy. So all right right.
Speaker 2:Well, I had to to question customs. When I saw that they transported by just covering it with fish and ice, I was like, oh okay.
Speaker 1:I know the Coast Guard came and checked them out. That too, pull your line up. Pull your line up.
Speaker 2:Why? How do you not say, hey, pull that line up, let me see what you got in there Like? They're just like, oh, it's fine over here, like, yeah, this is good. I'm like, oh my god, us Customs and the US Coast Guard Just they were in on it. They tried to kill him, that's pretty sad had to have been. Alright, so now we're pulling up to Rachel in the car Right. Lisa, I'm sorry, lisa, so.
Speaker 1:I know you have some takes About this car. Right, I'm going to get my take off and then I'll Clear out for you. My thing is she steals the one car that has a cell phone with a dead battery in it.
Speaker 2:No, are you serious? That was a cell phone from him.
Speaker 1:I thought that cell phone was what? Cell phone? From him, from who? From Jack, yeah, I thought she took that off the dude whose car she stole.
Speaker 2:She took it off of him. Why did she stole a cell phone from Jack? Yeah, the cell phone he was using. Remember that all day, or all throughout the movie, he kept Somebody kept calling him and he kept randomly like oh yeah. And he was like, oh yeah, it's work, oh damn, she grabbed it off his belt clip and ran with it okay, well, my gripe still falls.
Speaker 1:Follows. Why was it dead? Right, if you? Well, not that. But if you steal my car right now, like my cell phone's in my car it's not in my pocket or something. My cell phone's like sitting in my car, right. So you forced me out of my car, unless I had to work out to grab my phone. But if I'm like all panicked and stuff, you know, I don't know. Anyway, but you have some thoughts about this scene? Share.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, yeah. So Lisa rolls up slowly, sees that the silver beamer is empty. Okay, she kind of keeps going a little bit and sees a well-dressed man standing in front of the door. She's like, hmm, I wonder who that is. As she pulls in, well-dressed man starts pulling out a weapon and fires two or three shots into her windshield and Lisa is unharmed. So Lisa had the luck of the draw of pulling the only car apparently to steal with bulletproof glass, because there's no way, absolutely no way that any other car is gonna be shot at almost point blank, rage two or three times and it not chatter or would not go through. So lisa, just she should have went and played the lottery after this scene because, holy hell, the luck, the luck that she had.
Speaker 2:I mean he was dead on. He's obviously good at his job, because that was two or three shots dead on to her face and nothing. Is he good at his job, though? I mean he should have moved. What was he doing? He definitely should have. I don't know why he was out of the car because according to Jack, he's not going to move until. Jack says so so I don't know why he was murdered.
Speaker 1:You're just standing there like you live there.
Speaker 2:I was like what are you doing, dude? He was murdered. He was a horrible assassin, but a really good shot, but a really bad assassin.
Speaker 1:So he should work on that he's dead. So so now we're gonna get into. We're at the house now right, we're at the house, yes, and they're doing the whole cat and mouse thing. I guess I don't know how far away Brian Cox lived from the airport, but Jack catches up right away. I don't know where he found a car from, and if he stole one, he had one waiting.
Speaker 2:He got a taxi. They were waiting. It was like oh, taxi.
Speaker 1:And they just took him there, I guess. And now we have our whole cat and mouse thing going on. Brian Cox gets knocked out, so he's just going to lay his ass down for a little bit more and now they're going back on.
Speaker 1:That was a long comedy special, so he just fell asleep afterwards yeah, I mean so Jack goes looking for, he goes and gets a knife. I'm like what are you doing with this hunting knife dude? Go find that dude's gun, right. Like why are you looking for a knife? And he takes this crazy cartoonist hunting knife out and he starts like stalking her and again I swear she is batman, the, the disappearing acts, that she was pulling this like whole, like stalking situation. I'm like okay, yeah, what? What I did like about this third act is that marco beltrami is a composer for the film score. The music, the music came to light for this last, the third act.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:It did a lot to add tension. There were some nice stingers, you know. It was really nice, really well done, even if there was some goofiness happening. The music really helped Be like okay, yeah, we're watching a 2005 thriller, you know. So she called for help or whatever, whatever, and then he's just standing behind the door, yeah. So then they wrestle for a little bit, yeah, and then he throws her over the banister. This woman lands on her neck, rolls down and survives.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, absolutely not. Listen, she's been practicing falling now for a while. So after her attack in which she was assaulted she decided never again. So she's been taking all kind of training. Jack himself falls down several times but he also falls down the stairs himself.
Speaker 1:She also, like, headbutts him back and he falls down the stairs himself that is true, that is true, but now it's time to get a little more upset with the ending right. So she finds the gun. Boom, let's go, lisa, do your thing, richard mcadams, save the day. Boom, she fires a shot.
Speaker 2:She does.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's fine. You know he was unfazed. He was unfazed. He walked over and kicked the guns out of the gun out of her hands. I'm like Lisa, get it together. How would you let that happen? I'm emptying the clip on you. You've been chasing me, you were half fighting. Empty the clip she fired one time and just let him walk over, kick the gun out of her hands so that pops could come and save the day. Uh, nah, I don't like that ending. That's not good. It's not good. You know, it's unearned. Brian cox did nothing. Richard mcadams is the star of the show, not of the movie, you know, and she can't even like beat the villain. So that was craziness, I don't know. That's all I had to say on that part of the end of the movie there.
Speaker 2:The ending was just ego at this point for Jackson or Jack, we'll call him Jack. It was just all ego at this point because at this point he's been headbutt, he's been stabbing the throat, she got his.
Speaker 2:She had her heel in his leg at this point, so he got stabbed in his leg. At this point he's limping around. I mean, whether or not his assassin attempt worked at this point, it had nothing to do with them. So this is all ego and the fact that she bested him because he should have gone to the hospital, because the fact that he had to touch his hole in his throat to freaking.
Speaker 1:No one knew he was. He was involved and I mean, do you think he gave her a real name, jack ripner? That's not a real name yeah I'm like he should have. Just he should have left after the airport.
Speaker 2:He should have been like whoops, yeah, let's try again plan b or something I don't know like this is just a waste of time here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's wild.
Speaker 2:So the movie's pretty much over at this point what goes up with the 911, though, like the dad called 911 to say someone got hit in a car or something like that, they call back later to say oh yeah, sorry, we took so long.
Speaker 1:There was a big thing at downtown which yeah sure there is, but she called them, did they call? They called her. She answered the phone. You're absolutely right. They called back like, oh yeah, one works I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 1:That's crazy I don't think that's how my own works.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you're like, oh yeah, someone got hit. They hang up like, okay, we'll send somebody, and then call back like 45 minutes later oh yeah, my bad, sorry, uh took so long, you still need help. Like, oh yeah, someone's trying to kill me. They're like oh well, you should mark yourself in a somewhere, we'll be back. And then all of a sudden, units are showing up. It's like what kind of 911 call was that?
Speaker 1:yeah, that that wasn't very good. And then we go to the hotel. We wrap the whole thing up as a little epilogue thing. Yeah, there's a nice line where Lisa tells that old couple from the beginning to shove it up their ass.
Speaker 2:Shove it up your ass.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed yeah.
Speaker 2:She was concussed at that point. I'm surprised she didn't pass out. So you know right now.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, yeah, right now, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, she just went back to work again. She definitely the brain bleed, pretty sure like she's hit her head a lot in the last like hour. So yeah, so that's, that's the movie. So what are our feelings? There's not a lot here. Pot wise, right, it's a thriller.
Speaker 2:It's not really supposed to, but I give a solid uh four out of ten 4 out of 10 for the plot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, I would give it a 3. You know, some of the dialogue was weird. It made me laugh. I don't think they meant for me to laugh but, like Killian Murphy's motivations, we don't know what it was we just talked about. Why did he leave after the airfare? Was it because of money or integrity to his client? Like he should, he should not have followed through with her. You know, if the job was to kill the homeland security director, why would you even go to lisa's dad's house? If you cared that much about getting the job done, he should have been going to the hotel if he wanted to like really see it through my question is like what was the?
Speaker 2:what was going to be the plan if the flight was like outright canceled, because obviously this is is the last flight, there's some kind of storm? They slapped when they were like, okay, we can board now. So they were like, nah, this is canceled till tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Was he going?
Speaker 2:to stalk her to the hotel or stalk her in the airport. I guess I guess what was going to happen at that point.
Speaker 1:Just make them be on the next flight together. Yeah, that's too weird. Yeah, that was too much happenstance.
Speaker 2:They already said that he had a morning meeting or something in the morning, so he probably was going to be gone by in the morning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, acting and casting. What did you think about the acting and the casting?
Speaker 2:Rachel McAdams 8 out of 10. Eugene Killian Strange, but I mean that was his character, so I'll give it to him.
Speaker 1:So six out of ten okay, okay, I would give both of them sevens. Um, richard mcadams and killian, okay, split the baby. Yeah, they, they both carried the movie. Um whether or not we like all his choices, or whatever, I believe that Cillian Murphy did what was asked of him.
Speaker 1:Right right right, I give it to him. You know what Do you want? To get them both eights. No, I'll give them sevens. They both get sevens, right, they did a really great job. You know how I feel about Brian Cox being in the movie. That was a complete waste of our cast. Yeah, I'm not braiding, I'm not braiding sitting down. So you know, yeah, exactly, production, cinematography, visuals, wise it's. It's a cheap, uh, 26 million dollar thriller. There's not a whole lot that they could have given us.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, yeah, I did like the last scene at the house. Um, I thought that was cool, the cat and mouse thing, the tension was cool and it was engaging. Do you have a score for that, a number for that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like to. When I watch movies, I like to really see how the director Is seeing things. And this is it's a little jerky for me, like with the camera cuts and the back and forth. So I mean it's Luckily bright, like if it was a darker movie you'd probably be like what the hell is happening right now it's garbage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just see everything. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:What the hell is happening right now, so it's very bright. You know it's the middle of the day, so you can really see what's going on. But I would say I would say four, five, five out of ten. I like five. About a 10, I like 5. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I give it a 5 as well. I agree with that music and sound. Like I already said, the music, I feel like it came to life in that third act. This guy, the Beltran, the composer, he's done, he's done a lot of different genres, everybody knows what he's doing. I would give I don't know, it's weird, because there wasn't a whole lot going on For the entire movie. Yeah, no, it's literally just a third act. Yeah, you know. So I'll give him a six, a seven, a seven for that. Yeah, I don't know, I'll give him that. I can do, I can go with six or seven Because, yeah, Like it wasn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The most, most of the, really not really amusing until like the last ending, the last act, like you said yeah, um cultural impact?
Speaker 1:uh, zero.
Speaker 2:Well one, I have to give it a score, right, yeah, it's not, it's good, but culturally, I mean, I loved the movie when I was a kid or younger. So yeah, yeah, but it has no impact yeah, it's not like a.
Speaker 1:It didn't revolutionize movie making or anything or no, it's not. I don't know how many people you could go to in the streets and be like, oh you remember red eye and start quoting them. Is that very quotable, either you?
Speaker 2:know it is not it is not right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so nothing there. Yeah. So overall thoughts, it was a very fun movie. Uh, funny in places where I don't think it meant to be funny. Most of the cast of background characters, which is weird, but they're given roles or actions that are seemingly essential to the plot. That's what makes it weird to me. And then, like brian cox, I've said a lot about that already, but rachel mccadam rachel mccadams and keelyan murphy are good enough and attractive enough to make me forgive some of the weird things that happened. It's a fun movie overall. I would watch it again yeah so yeah yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2:I think that it was.
Speaker 2:It was good for what it was supposed to be, which is always a kind of a roundabout way of saying, like you know, it's like, well, if you like it, I love it, type of thing. But yeah, it did his job. It again. Not much like background things, it really was just focused on these two people, which, which that's hard, that's hard to carry in a movie when there's not a lot of reasons other than these two people for me to care. So you know, I liked it, I liked it. I'm not trying to tear it, I like the movie, I would watch it again. But it's not for any kind of like impactful, like this is my favorite Obi type of thing.
Speaker 2:It's just a it's a it's a nice movie for like a lazy Sunday and just oh he's on and you just put it on.
Speaker 1:Well cool. That concludes our our. Takes our real talk and banter on red eye.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
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