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Bar Shootout, Bad Accents, Big Fire: Inglourious Basterds (2009) pt. 2
In part 2, we pick apart Inglourious Basterds’ bar scene, the Italian ruse, and the theater inferno to show how small tells topple big plans. We debate Landa’s long game, Shoshanna’s revenge, and whether dazzling set pieces outweigh shaky logic.
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In a world where every single detail must be discussed. Last time on real talk and better. The host committed to a second cinematic breakdown. At one point a deep dive into Austrian actors losing awards to fictional prep school wizards. Act two, a two-minute interrogation into the historical breathsizing of French royalty. Act three, a critical minute and a half probe into the identity of a narrator who barely speaks. I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing. The tangents became the episode. The runtime became a nightmare. The conversation was fractured. Prepare for the continuation of these utterly crucial discussions.
SPEAKER_01:You know, at first you didn't really understand what was happening. I like that of why it fell apart. All I knew as an act as a watcher was that tension. You could feel the tension increase almost immediately after he ordered the drink. So I thought at first maybe he ordered a drink that German people don't typically like, but then I was scotch, but I don't, you know, I'm not a big drinker, so I'm like, I don't know if that's a big deal or not. But you could feel everybody, except for the British guy.
SPEAKER_03:He didn't know yet.
SPEAKER_01:So he was just like, oh, whatever. But you could feel everybody kind of even uh stiglets, because you mostly see stiglets, you don't see the other guy. You can see him kind of sit up a little bit more. You could hear Bridget's voice when she's talking, she's talking to tremble. Her voice is low. Everybody in the room, you know, minus the people in the back who might not have heard it. Um even the bartenders, because they because he looked, he did it at the bartender. So the bartender knew too. Everybody knew except for this guy. And you're just like, ugh, that's not good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and what what proceeded to happen was well, no, I don't wanna you're right. I don't wanna jump it. I like that they didn't tell us right away. We don't find out until after the aftermath of everything, why it happened. Right. Uh which was great because it would have slowed the pacing down and it would have cut the tension because somebody would have had to stop and been like, Oh, you held the the number three up incorrectly, you know, like that that's that just wasn't yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So all we know is all of a sudden one dude has a gun pointed at his nuts, the other guy got a gun pointed at his nuts, and he and then he just starts speaking uh, you know, in the English accent, he's like, Oh.
SPEAKER_03:He's like, fuck it.
SPEAKER_01:I know this is probably the last thing I'm gonna do, so I'm gonna speak in my native tongue, and you know, which was which was drink the scotch, drink the he's like, stum the waste good scotch, and it was like he knew what was gonna happen. So from that point, I assumed that there was gonna be no survivors because he broke character. Uh he broke his his you know, his um, he burned his alias. So I assumed so I wasn't too surprised that everybody essentially died, except for of course Bridget, but I you know, I assume everybody nobody was gonna make it because you know he broke his alias like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean the the the whole shootout because essentially it erupted into a big shootout, and my jaw was just in my lap the entire time. I couldn't believe that one one because uh how I feel about Fastbender, he's not a nobody or not, let me not say nobody. He's he's a he's a he's a big actor, he's a good actor, you know, so and a very talented one. So he's literally in one chapter of this movie. Now he is in like every scene of that chapter, so it's not like he's wasted per se. He he's definitely the main character of that scene and is able to um get a lot of film uh screen time and and do a lot for the for the movie, but for him to get killed and then he's young Magneto, right? Yes, that's correct, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, look at me, X-Men.
SPEAKER_03:Ah, oh wow, yes. He was. He's also David in Alien uh Prometheus and Covenant. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, anyway. Sorry, I distracted you. And one last thing.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I didn't mean for your fangirl.
SPEAKER_03:No, well, this is a bad one. He was in an Assassin's Creed movie, a bad Assassin's Creed movie. You never see that or something. They made an Assassin's Creed movie. It was not good. Anyway. Oh, that's why I skipped it. I was like, ah, it was tough. But and then Stiglitz died, which man, like we spent so much time talking about how they rescued Brooke Stiglitz out of prison, and we didn't see we didn't see Stiglitz kill any Jews. Sorry, not Jews, Nazis in present day. I guess aside from whoever he ended up shooting there, it was all flashbacks, you know. He didn't really get so they hyped up these bastards so much, brought in high cocks and everything, and even Bridget, when we thought she was dead for a little bit, you know, and it just so it was funny to me because I told you my first note was damn, this cast is so big, and then it kind of thinned it out like right away.
SPEAKER_01:Immediately, yeah. Like, is there anyone left? I didn't know I didn't know who was left at that point because it was like, alright.
SPEAKER_03:You know, and uh so now Brad Pitt comes in to close out the scene essentially and and put a bow on it, right? And he does have that um face-off with Wilhelm and has to talk him down so that he doesn't kill Bridget because he needs to he needs Bridget alive, he needs to know what happened in that bar, he needs to know what information Bridget had. He cannot let Wilhelm kill Bridget, you know? Right. So he talks Wilhelm down. It takes a while, and he's like, Oh, you know, they agree to no guns, but of course, Wilhelm still has his gun. And Brad Pitt, uh Aldo, I want to use his name. Aldo, Lieutenant Aldo says, Hey, we did not agree to have Mexican standoff. And he's like, That's not a this is not a Mexican standoff, you don't have a gun. He said, Yeah, but my guy has a grenade upstairs. You shoot me, you kill me, you kill her. Grenade comes down, blows you up. You know what I'm saying? So that that was that was pretty cool, a pretty cool scene. And Bridget ultimately does kill Wilhelm. Uh so poor poor baby Max will grow up fatherless.
SPEAKER_01:Maximilian, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Maximilian. Uh I didn't like that.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't like that part. Because if you give your word, which I mean, you know, it's war, and yeah, it means as much as I mean, they're lying and they're have aliases, and they have this whole plan to kill, you know, the high regime and Hitler. So I get it. But also a man's word, a woman's word, is it means so much. And he he was keeping his word. He said, fine, I just want to give home to my son and my daughter, or I'm sorry, my son and my wife. Take her and go. And you know, Bridget, where I don't know where the hell she got a gun for. I guess she just picked up off the floor or whatever. Yeah, I mean shot the man.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, uh, that was pretty tough. Poor Maximilian.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Poor Maximilian.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Poor him.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, Brad, uh, Lieutenant Aldo makes Bridget, you know, kind of work for it because well, pay for that because he he does give her a little a little bit of light torturing, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Uh in trying to figure out a little bullet hole uh puncture in there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Her finger in the bullet hole.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that shit must hurt so bad. Like, holy hell.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And he was dig in.
SPEAKER_03:She sold it. She sold it too. She sold it. I I believe that she was in pain.
SPEAKER_01:I I believe she was in pain as well. I don't I can't imagine you have an open wound and somebody just shoving their finger in it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Like, I don't know. You know, but so is so it's during this interrogation of Bridget trying to figure out what happened, is when we the reveal is given to us that the reason the entire thing went wrong is because Germans hold the number three the wrong way.
SPEAKER_01:Damn. So you've decided. Okay. Um, I I don't know if I've I'm a Germ, I've been a German in my past life or whatever, but I actually do three that way. I I always have. I always have. I always have. I always go five, four, oh shit. Five, four, and then I bring my three and then two and then one.
SPEAKER_03:Huh.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know why, but I've always done I didn't know the German thing. He's like, well, I was wrong. This sounds this seems like stupid. Like, what a f this fucking bunny air shit? Like, what is this? It does look dumb.
SPEAKER_03:You know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, because if I'm counting, which I don't know why I'm counting on my first, if I'm counting, I do start with my thumb. So I guess if I'm counting past two, I'm gonna end up with right. You're gonna start here.
SPEAKER_01:Right, yeah. One, two, three. You don't go one, two, three, two, three. Sorry, Germany.
SPEAKER_03:I apologize. Gosh. Yeah, but that's that's a tough, that's a tough way to to have your mission blowing up.
SPEAKER_01:And yeah, but that was him. That was him. But that was absolutely him.
SPEAKER_03:They spend the top, so here's a nitpick, they spend the top of the chapter explaining to us, well, showing us how skilled Hycox is and how knowledgeable he is in in German culture and cinema, all these things. He doesn't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was such a common thing among it, it didn't matter where you were from, they were like, yo, this is stupid. Don't do it. And he didn't know that. He didn't see all the movies he's watched, he's never seen that, never pop on that. Yeah, like I I feel like he was annoyed from the drunk uh sailor, uh almost said sailor, the trunk uh soldier. And I think that just that started to throw him off his gave and on unravel him a little bit because he made a very obviously a a a uh detrimental mistake that was unnecessary. He had to have known that because he studied German film, like they had to have seen that he knew that, and he just threw it out the window and just threw up three fingers and and almost unnecessarily, like why he could have just said three for us, or he could have also said I don't want to drink because other guys said he didn't want to drink either. So I'm like, I'm fine, we already had our drinks here.
SPEAKER_03:Like unnecessarily I've been out with two other guys and order drinks or or someone's order around, and no one's ever said three drinks, please. Fucking three fingers up, like more mobile tea, please.
SPEAKER_01:Like, what the fuck like throwing drinks up like that? Like, that was so on it was such an unnecessary part of the dialogue. Like I said, I don't know I know fan because of how they shot the scene and how tight it was, the tension and and the camera work, but I'm not a fan because it all unravels off of things that just was unnecessary.
SPEAKER_03:I think that those everything that you just listed, like the the camera work, the the scene, this it's a whole set piece, you know. It essentially, I think that kind of took precedent over the plot. It's very clear. I mean, it's clear, it it gets this was one of the more more interesting chapters, but plot-wise, when you look at it, it's it's a bit soft, you know. Um, and a lot of things, like you said, this whole chapter actually didn't have to go down that way, it didn't have to happen at all. No, you know, so so yeah, so like I guess those are our thoughts on chapter four. So, chapter five, we're in, we're in, we're in the home stretch now, right? This is a finale. Uh, revenge of the giant face. And it it all goes down in the final chapter. That one was so on the nose. Well, I guess Operation Keen was on the nose, but so everyone, everything, they converge at the theater for a very fiery conclusion to this story.
SPEAKER_01:Um wait, before we get there, before we get there, before we get there, so we get our favorite guy. Um here, man. You gotta get him right.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, oh, I'm sorry, Landa, Landa. Christoph Waltz's hands Landa. Immediately.
SPEAKER_01:Landa's there. There's an entire bar full of German people who have been murdered, um, including you know the bastards who are st who are also German still um themselves.
SPEAKER_03:Is this the end of chapter four or begin of chapter five? No, it started chapter five with this scene, right?
SPEAKER_01:Uh I can't, I don't have it, I don't actually have it written down as in the case. Me neither, but I know where you're at.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I know where you're at. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:My my only question, I I don't want to wanna draw it out because I know we've been talking for a minute, but my only question here is okay, so he's there and he's, you know, he he's this perceptive, you know, detective shoe hunter, whatever, whatever. He finds the the uh the the high heel, he sees that uh Bridget was there. I'm like, okay, how is the entire plan not blown up right here? Because he knows now, and she's not there anymore. So she made it out. He knows that. So I'm like, how does he not order her to be picked up wherever the hell she? I mean, she's a famous actress.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh god, I know why. I have the answer to that. I have an answer to that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I know we I know later why, but I just have this note here as to why it doesn't blow up right now. Like, I was like, all right. So that's I put that note, like, he must want something because there's no reason for it not to blow up right here, is all I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_03:Because he could have gone and find her. I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was easy to find her. She's a famous actress.
SPEAKER_02:Like they left her shoes behind.
unknown:Really?
SPEAKER_01:Why did they leave her shoe behind? I don't know. They left her napkin behind. Like, they had all the time. I mean, first of all, well, I wouldn't say they had all the time in the world, but no, because you have to assume the police is about to come. Right, right. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. I was just about to say, at first I said they had all the time in the world, but I also was like, nah, they they were shooting, shooting, like like gunshots are loud, and it was very late, it was quiet, so you know, okay. They had to like quickly.
SPEAKER_03:It was underground though. It was underground though.
SPEAKER_01:It was underground, yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I've never shot under in a club underground, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:But it seemed like there was I guess was a easy is an easy thing to overlook.
SPEAKER_01:Like to remember that oh yeah, why didn't they grab the bastards, the the guys who died? Like they it must they must have not had time because why would you not grab them? Because now you've made it known that your presence is there, and why you have a plan to kill Hitler. Why? Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_03:So they must have been like even if they had gotten the bodies out, took in the shoes, and let's say they forgot the napkin. So I'll yes, Alanda would have known that Bridget was there, but he wouldn't have known why.
SPEAKER_01:Right. But or maybe that was like something they got, yeah. Right, right, right, right.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm saying with the bastards being there, he can easily okay, so the bastards are here, Bridget's here, she's not her body isn't here, so obviously the bastards are here with Bridget. Now he doesn't know exactly why, but you know the the the bastards, they scalp Nazis. So that's not like a big leap that she's not up, she's up to no good, you know? So that that was that was a big oversight for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know why they didn't grab the bodies, I don't know how she didn't remember, or somebody didn't notice she wasn't wearing a shoe. Because I guess the napping could have been explained the way, like maybe they met her earlier and they just had it with them and they were showing it off, like there's so much thing there. But the shoe, there was clear blood on it, so it wasn't like it happened before and like she left and she forgot her shoe. Like, I don't know, Cinderella, like I don't know what happened, but like they should have grabbed the bodies, they should have grabbed the shoe. It was just I mean again, dum-dums. They were just dumdums at this point. This they lost the brain of the of the whole operation. Dum dums.
SPEAKER_03:They started making so many mistakes, you know. Uh, I do want to take I want to take some time to marvel at something here that happened, okay, right? So it's an is the night of the nation's pride premiere. That's the name of the film. Yeah. So to open this scene, Tarantino hits us with a one-minute tracking shot. You familiar with what a tracking shot is?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So just for our listeners who may not know, a tracking shot is where the camera literally just follows uh, usually it follows one subject without any breaks, any cuts. The camera is just following that person wherever they're going. Yeah, and you're seeing this person the entire time.
SPEAKER_01:You know who does a really you know who does a really good job just as a side cook. Some of some of in my brain, I am a director and I would do this all the time. But one um movie that does it really, really well is actually um The Conjuring. Um if you've ever yes, I don't know if you've ever seen it, especially I think the second one. Like they build a lot of attention by following um with one shot their subjects, even though they're doing multiple subjects as they pass, they tilt, they like you know, pan over shift to the other one.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah. And that's what he does in this movie, right? Yeah. Because I'm familiar with the wanners that you're following this one person walking down a hall or you know, through a crime scene or through whatever. But the tracking shot starts from the balcony with Shoshana, and then it lingers on her conversation with Zala and Jenny. So Shoshana comes walks down the balcony, the camera is following her, unbroken shot. And when she's then it leaves her behind. She's with Zala and Jenny. She pauses there for maybe about 10 seconds or so, the camera pauses there, I should say. And then the camera follows a female server as they walk through with some drinks on a tray. From there, the camera pans up to the balcony where there's a male server with drinks who hands some champagne to Landa. This all happens, it's about 60 seconds or so, give or take. And it it was just cool, but all he did was set up the next cool camera. He followed up on another camera trick, right? So he lingers in Landa, showing us his reaction as he looks down into the crowd. So then he leaves to go down and investigate or to greet those people. So the camera again is still following him, and the camera only breaks when he reaches down there. And who is it? It's Bridget with the bastards, right?
SPEAKER_01:The Italian.
SPEAKER_03:Before we comment on them, he he follows up immediately with another cool camera trick, right? Where he's asking her, What happened to your leg?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:With the cast around the fucking heels.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, what the hell was that?
SPEAKER_03:That seems so impractical and tedious. So she got dressed and put a cast on over the shoe. So after she was dressed up in her outfit, she went to the doctor to, or did she apply this at the whole? I had so many questions about that heel cast thing, but let me stay focused, right? He's asking her about her leg. They started doing what's called an arc shot, which is when the camera circles around the subjects to help increase energy and tension of the scene. And it is circling between Landa and Brigitte. Did you pick up? Did you notice this shot? No, I didn't notice that part. Oh my gosh. Is so this is why he's talking to her, asking her, they're talking about oh, she went skiing or mountain climbing or mountain climbing, she claims.
SPEAKER_01:It was horrible.
SPEAKER_03:Literally, it's literally circing it, circling it. And they do some zoom ends. They do, they they they add some padding into it too. So at different points in time, so the camera is not just statically going around you, it's going around you, and then sometimes it zooms in on your face and then it zooms out for a wider shot. That whole sequence there, I just I loved it. I thought it was so cool. I had to stop and pause and rewind. I just wanted to see because at first I was too busy focused on the camera, I didn't hear what they were saying, so I had to go back to listen to what they were saying, but it was such a cool shot. I really loved it.
SPEAKER_01:But what what what I was gonna say the part that really like threw me during that scene is when after she says, Oh, she went mountain climbing, man, laughed, laughed, like hysterical. This man was like, that was the best you could do, like laugh.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01:That killed me, and they just have to stand there while he was laughing because they couldn't like walk away.
SPEAKER_03:The movie is funny, right? But it's not like necessarily ha ha, slap your leg, you're in stitches funny, right? That was a fucking scene. And the subtitles said, do you watch the subtitles? I forgot if I asked that. Your subtitles on the cards.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I watched the titles, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, it's like it says laughed hysterically, and the he stole that laugh.
SPEAKER_02:He fairly laughed. And it was so long.
SPEAKER_01:It was forever.
SPEAKER_03:Because after he laughed, he tried to like recompose himself. It was just it was the funniest scene in the movie. A hundred percent. I couldn't stop.
SPEAKER_01:100%. Oh stop, 100%. This man just couldn't believe she opened her mouth and said she was mountain climbing the day before a movie premiere. A grab premiere stop fell and only broke the left leg, and which he has her left shoe. So he already knows it's BS. But I mean, that was this man laughed in her face, and she couldn't do shit. He couldn't she just had to take it.
SPEAKER_03:Watching this, you're just like, guys, you're cooked. This is done. This is done, this is over with. But let's talk about let's talk about these Italians. I know you're excited to talk about the Italian Grazie.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, we'll go as your so okay, so okay, so I don't think we covered it, but alright, so after uh, you know, um Aldo Aldo interrogates Brigitte and asks her, you know, what happened and what the plan was, you know, she said you guys are gonna, you know, they were gonna be her German um one was a uh a filmmaker, a photographer, a photographer or something, one is her director or uh his assistant and the other one's gonna be her date or whatever. So after that blows up, because all the only three people who speak German were all scene together and all died. Uh Lieutenant Aldo comes back and says, Alright, well, uh, I guess we'll escort you. So of course Bridget asks him, Well, do you speak any language other than English? And of course, the Americans are like, Well, I speak a little Italian. He said, Italian. Italian, yeah. And then he was like, and then uh the other guy is like, Yeah, he speaks a little too. And then the other guy's like, I don't speak any. He's like, Yeah, that's why you're the third guy. So I'm expecting, okay, not perfect, but something, something. So not terrible. You weren't expecting terrible not horrible. Yeah, I wasn't speaking, I was I wasn't expecting like fluent because you know that's not who they are, but I wasn't expecting something. But I swear to God, man's when they're being introduced, literally you said grazi and little pizza hand signals to indicate that they were Italian. And it was just like, bro, I feel so bad being an American. I was like, but truly, I that's what I said in the beginning. I like I'm so amazed that people, you know, uh European countries, African countries, uh, Asian countries could just flip back before so many different languages, and we're just over here like, hola.
SPEAKER_02:Do you speak English shows?
SPEAKER_01:Like we literally like like cartoonishly same languages, and then we're like, yeah, that's that's all I got. When El Bano? You know El Bano? No? Okay, well, that's all I got.
SPEAKER_03:When they met Landa, because remember Bridget was like, well, uh fuck. Bridget said Italian will be fine because Germans they can't, they're not good with that accent, picking up the colour.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they weren't good with accents. I was again, I was like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Listen to me.
SPEAKER_01:They won't be able to tell that they're actually American with speaking Italian. I thought they speak like fluent Italian, it was just chopped up English.
SPEAKER_03:When Landa started speaking fluent.
SPEAKER_01:Speaking Italian.
SPEAKER_03:Italian.
SPEAKER_01:That shit threw me.
SPEAKER_03:He was speaking so fast, the subtitles couldn't keep up. I I was struggling reading the subtitles. He was going so damn fast. And I'm like, I said, this is a terrible plan, and they will all die. That was my immediate my immediate thought and note after he started speaking Italian. And when I heard, I said, this I said, this man sounds like he sounds like me struggling with my Italian in Duolingo, okay? That is how he sounded terrible. It was so bad. And as a matter of fact, I feel that every accent Brad Pitt used in the movie was terrible, okay? It was real bad.
SPEAKER_01:I that in fact, I think the second guy, I think that was was that Bear? That was Bear? Um maybe not. No, it was Bear?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:Either way, I think this second speak better Italian. But you know, I think the second guy actually did speak better Italian, but I guess they just had to keep it to be Brad Pitt because he was the main character. But I think the second guy actually did speak a little bit more Italian than Brad Pitt and his freaking grazi and just speaking half English, half mumble. Like the man was talking like he was having a stroke mid-conversation. It was just bad. And I was like, what the fuck? But yeah, the the ice in the cake is Landa coming through and speaking fluent, flawless Italian, like, oh okay, but you know, Italian, Italian, Italian. And they're just like, Yep, grazi. He's like, and then he I think he said C. And I was like, the fuck?
SPEAKER_03:Well, C is yes in Italian. It is just Oh, it is? Oh, okay, okay. Oh, yeah, you know Mr.
SPEAKER_01:Duolingo. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03:I am a Duolingo, alright. Duolingo, Mr. Ciao Bella.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit, not me, Ciao Bella. Bye.
SPEAKER_03:No, okay, alright. Alright. Alright. Anyway. All right. Uh so then after that, right, they showed us the dynamite and their leg, right? And I'm like, this is a fucking plan. So this is where this took me out of the movie right here, right? This is when I this is when I'm like, these guys are dummies.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I said, this Secret Service sucks. Okay. If they did, the littlest of research, they would know that the frickin' film in the cinema is highly flammable. It is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames. You do not need to sneak in dynamite attached to your legs to burn this place down. Like, what is going on here?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they did not know. They did not do any research on this. As well as unless you prep it, which I mean, it's supposed to be a secret. It can involve 20 people, so even if they had it the normal amount of film, it might not have been enough to actually blow the place down. I mean, you saw the gigantic uh like bundle of film that they had. I mean, who knows where it came from, if that was everything there, but I think I don't know if what that was normally in there would have been enough. But yeah, I didn't I didn't understand the whole the whole dynamite strapped to the legs. I was like, how are you gonna get that off? Like you're in the middle of the crowd with everybody else.
SPEAKER_03:So I thought so they're just killing themselves or Yeah, that wasn't clergy to me at the beginning, but I'm I'm like, oh, this is a suicide mission for everyone. I think everyone was planning to kill themselves in this mission, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, if you can't see Lieutenant Aldo's, I mean Yeah, I I can't see Aldo's.
SPEAKER_03:Aldo trying to kill himself to for the mission, but I don't know. Hey, we don't know. We don't know anything about this guy because they didn't show us. But now we're in another scene. Listen, Christoph Walsh. He's amazing, no matter like where he's at in the movie. But you put him in the room with one other person, he is going to just act circles around you and just make you feel like you're not even a part of the scene. You don't even have to say anything. You just have I feel like if I'm in a scene with uh Christoph Waltz, he's gonna win a fucking Oscar for it. All I have to do is just sit there and just be like amazed, and he's gonna just carry the entire scene, you know? Not saying now, he was in there with Darren Kruger, like it was not like she was in both. Yeah, no, yeah, no, he's not uh too sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Like he he brings him no one by no means, so yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:He brings him in and uh you know he has her sit down. He says, put your put your leg on my lap. And she's like, Um, no, that's inappropriate. And he does this thing where he points his finger on his fucking lap and his knee. He doesn't repeat himself, he just points like put it here, and she has no choice but to comply. And he he takes off her shoe, and she's again, she's trying to play into the bitch, say, Oh my gosh, like, what are you doing? This is inappropriate, and he says to her, reach into my jacket pocket. That's the jacket's on the chair, reach into my jacket pocket and hand me what's in there. The look of her face when she finally touches it and realizes what it is.
SPEAKER_01:Which uh how did you go ahead, go ahead?
SPEAKER_03:I know, right? But but to to cap that scene off, because her her shock and her knowing, like I fuck, like this is it, I'm done. That look was that was plenty to make that uh a great scene. What made an excellent scene was the knowing nod that landed?
SPEAKER_01:The smile and nod. I have that written down. Like he looked at you like, I got you. Yeah, I got you. It was you're done. That was it. You didn't have to say a word. You're like, I got you. Like, ah, perfect fit. Yeah. That is many lunges. Yeah, he said, What's an American? If the shoe fits you must wear it, I don't know. That's not quite it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. That's not it at all.
SPEAKER_01:But I mean, close enough. I thought he was gonna say if the glove, if the glove don't fit, you mustn't quit. I'd have died. That doesn't work.
SPEAKER_03:That definitely doesn't work. That's an anaquitous way.
SPEAKER_01:Man, freaking.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, so she asked him, so what's next? How did he answer that question?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, this man did a flying leap of faith and just wrapped his hands around her throat and proceeded to strangle the life out of her. And literally, we mean the life out of her. And yeah, you know, it was uh he was happy to do it. I think I think he was uh Yeah, he was happy to do it. I mean, yeah, which I don't I mean I again, I don't know. I don't know German laws and you know what can and cannot be done while war is going on. But I mean she still was a German, you know, uh citizen. And again, and a celebrity as well, but I mean, you know, treason is meant by death, even for us as well, or supposed to be.
SPEAKER_03:And it was it was treason, that's what it was.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, I mean he took matters into his own hands, but literally, but he didn't even didn't even shit. The man, before you even could blink, he was his hands were around her throat and she was losing her life. And that was just that was the end of her.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, wow, it was so sudden, you know. Um, and then after that, Aldo was immediately captured. I don't know what he was, he was out there dicking her. What was he doing?
SPEAKER_01:What do you think was what was he doing? That tripped me off.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, this is you don't need Bridget anymore. You're already inside. Go do the mission.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know what he was I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. He was just standing out there and I don't know why. Like, I don't know why they were actually sitting in seats. I I don't know why. And they were like in the middle seats somewhere. Well yeah Well, they they they finally reveal why they were sitting there, you know, eventually, but uh I don't know why when they saw those seats. Oh, we gotta go to the bathroom real quick or something. Like, I don't know what the deal was, but it was just bad or whatever. You know something else that I thought about just now as well? And we didn't talk about it, but initially Stiglitz was supposed to be part of the three-man crew. Isn't Stiglitz too well known for that? Like, he was known for murdering officers.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like, how was he gonna walk into a room full of high-ranking officers who probably know what he looks like?
SPEAKER_03:You are absolutely right. Manda recognized his corpse on site when they were when he went to the bar. He recognized him on site.
SPEAKER_01:Right, exactly. Oh, here's Stiglitz, because he didn't they weren't wearing no name tags, so here you go. So I I mean the whole plan was just I mean, you had to use him because he was German and he spoke German, so okay.
SPEAKER_03:But he did no speaking though.
SPEAKER_01:We barely speak, he didn't have to speak now, but yeah, I just I just thought about that. I was like, even if they made it out of the bar, they would have been immediately thwarted when this man tried to walk through the door. Like immediately recognized.
SPEAKER_03:Can you guys arrest that traitor, please? Like Landa would have immediately said that. Like arrest that guy. Like he can't.
SPEAKER_01:It was bad. It was bad. The plan was bad.
SPEAKER_03:So Aldo gets captured and he's transported to a secondary location, and he heads bust the shit out of him. I don't know why I'm always down for it.
SPEAKER_01:He came hard as well.
SPEAKER_03:But after that, right, I'm like, when did BJ Novak join the movie?
SPEAKER_00:Oh wait.
SPEAKER_03:I'm so serious. When did BJ Novak join the movie? Um that's who was captured with who was in the truck with him. Uh with with Aldo. Are you following me or I feel like I'm confusing you?
SPEAKER_01:Uh wait. Yeah, no, it was only three of them.
SPEAKER_03:It was three of them that walked in to the theater, the cinema with Bridget, right? Right, right, right. Aldo gets captured and he gets taken to the secondary location, and he's sitting down with um Landa speaking. It's not just the two of them, there's a another guy with them. He's not one of the two guys that are inside a theater about to blow it up. It's BJ Novak.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I I thought I think I thought I was one of the guys from um from inside a theater. But then no, you're right. They're they're still in there shooting up people.
SPEAKER_03:There's two guys in there. Yeah. That that I I'm like, what the fuck? I promise you he was not in this whole movie. I don't know why. It was very distracting. I um because I listen to me. I watched The Office, is it's one of my all-time favorite shows.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you do kind of reference.
SPEAKER_03:I know who BJ Novak is, I know what he looks like and what he sounds like. I promise you, I did not see BJ Novak for the prior hour and 40 minutes, hour or two hours I was watching that movie. All of a sudden he's in the last scene. And I'm I was like, where did you come from, dude? So I almost wanted to re-watch the movie just for that because I had to have missed him earlier.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he must have been like in the intro when they were doing the kind of who's who when they were first scalping. Yeah, probably Nazis, but yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So anywho, so they have this sit-down, and Landa is trying to try out more of his shoe impression expressions, like the shoe is in the other foot. And he sits down. This he sits them down, he pours them all a glass of uh, I think it was brandy, but their hands are handcuffed behind them. Did you catch that? I'm like, why are you pouring this? Why are you fucking with these guys, man? They can't drink this.
SPEAKER_01:And again, it's still a power move. He's still like, yo, I still got you guys.
SPEAKER_03:It it is. Uh so he tries to cut a speaking of power moves, he tries to cut a deal with them. Which that caught me off guard. I thought I was unexpected, but very interesting for the twist of the movie.
SPEAKER_01:I literally have a note that said, ah, that's why.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because I I had so many questions, like, why didn't he immediately arrest her? Why didn't he immediately arrest them? Why'd he wait? Why'd he keep them captured? Because everybody else, he's killed. Like he killed Bridget. He could have killed um uh Lieutenant Aldo, and I guess uh the other two who were there, and then I guess BJ Novak was in there as well for whatever reason. So he could have killed those people. So it was just like he has no problem just firing, so it didn't make any sense, and then I have a note like oh that's why. And wants to cut a deal. Which at that point in the war makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:And that's when that's when my head started like spinning and like connecting dots and stuff. And I'm like, okay. Landa he he this isn't this is not all happening. He was prepared for this. He was prepared for this deal, you know, and I'm I'm gonna come back, but we kinda have to shift because we go back, so now we're going back and forth between these guys and what's happening in the cinema. And for some reason, I haven't. Why are there no guards in the lobby of the cinema? The fur is there. Why are these two able to just run around sneaking around the whole cinema while the fur like I just don't I didn't understand that like they snuck to the bathroom or to that the the box seat or whatever very easily.
SPEAKER_01:I mean they had the they had the two guards guarding the the actual box, but yeah, it didn't it didn't make yeah, it didn't make sense they it didn't have much more I mean they were all there to watch the movie, I guess, but yeah, it didn't make sense that there was much more um you know security there essentially. Like it really did make sense, but I don't know. I guess they assumed it was German night and everybody loved them and they wouldn't nothing would happen.
SPEAKER_03:So hubris, you know, yeah, hubris hubris work, yeah. That works. So around this point in time, there's when I'm realizing I'm like, oh, everybody is sacrificing themselves. Even because I even thought Shoshana and Marcel were gonna set the fire and bounce. I didn't think that they were expecting to be a part of you know of this whole thing. So Zala Zala decides to, he can't, I don't know. It was weird. Zala was giving weird vibes. He's watching himself kill all these, um, kill all the Jews and stuff in in the movie, and he looked visibly uncomfortable. And I don't know if it was uncomfortable in the sense like, oh my god, I can't believe I did these, it took all took away all these lives, or if it was I'm just uncomfortable because everybody is the same way, like you don't like receiving a compliment, you know, uh he's like I just this is too much for me. I I I was a little uncertain, but then he went. Well, do you have a take on that? What you think it was?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I bounced around between either, you know, maybe he's just realizing, or it really didn't happen, and he's just taking credit because sometimes you need that that uh that kind of lore, that kind of uh story for other soldiers and other people to be like to still believe in the cause. But at this point, you're kind of winding down on the war. So it kind of like uh I kind of feel like it didn't happen. Or maybe maybe he did kill a person or two, but not he they said he murdered like a hundred people from a freaking eagle's nest. Like, okay, like yeah, okay. I don't I don't agree. I don't agree with that.
SPEAKER_03:But that's that's that's a good you know take on it. A good spot.
SPEAKER_01:You know, one or two turns into a hundred when you're telling war stories, and then especially when you're trying to make a point.
SPEAKER_03:We're but dealing with propaganda too, right? So what's a little exaggeration? So that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:Like, oh we this hero killed a hundred drugs. Oh, we have to do more. Like it's just I think it's more morale thing, and it didn't actually happen. So he was kind of like young until he started tripping, but he was kind of younger and kind of like I don't know, a little, I don't want to say naive. He was naive, but yeah, there was something there that just made him like this isn't necessarily the world for him, but he's you know, he's handsome looking, you know, tall, white, a soldier. He's good at it. He's good at it. He's good at it, you know. So it's just like he just got chosen and he just kind of had to ride with it. But it was it was a weird reaction of oh, I gotta leave. And but the doctor gobbles agreed. He's like, Oh, I understand. I was like, Do you? Like, what do you understand?
SPEAKER_03:I didn't understand that's that line at all either. Um maybe he was like, Yeah, no, go outside, yeah, and that's right, and get ahead of the rush of people leaving to come get auto. I don't know, it was a weird line. I didn't I didn't get it, but no, he didn't do that. He went up to go harass Shoshana, and this man can't take he cannot take no further answer.
SPEAKER_01:He he dropped the good the good boy acting immediately. He was like, Listen, I'm tired of this shit.
SPEAKER_03:Well he took some bullets instead, you know, and I thought I was like, alright, I was like, good, you got him. And Shoshana dropped her guard and he he lit her ass up. I I yelled, I was I was devastated. I was so mad.
SPEAKER_01:I was so so so so so so I was so mad. Not because I mean, yeah, she's a good character, and yes, killing her. I was just like, she just she planned so and again, you didn't plan for him to come up, so okay, fine. Yeah, but oh my god, how many, especially as a movie watcher, how many times have we watched a bad guy, you know, been shot, been dead, and then pop back up? And I'm just like, why are you approaching his body? Yeah, what are you gaining? Like, keep firing or keep doing what you're doing. Like, why are you like now he's point blind, shooting her in the stomach? I'm like, shit, ain't nothing you can do after that.
SPEAKER_03:She was gonna have to leave through that door. I don't was she gonna kill herself or not? Was she gonna kill herself? No, um I mean, like set herself on fire too, or was she planning to leave? What do you think?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know what she was doing because they set the fire behind the screen.
SPEAKER_03:And I don't think Marcel got out of there. Or you think he got away from it?
SPEAKER_01:I think he I mean he might have, because I mean he he you know, he threw a cigarette in it, and he could have bounced. He could have bounced, but I don't think I don't think that she was gonna sacrifice herself. I think she was gonna get out of there too. So I mean, yeah, she would have had to. Um, because at that point, I don't know why she was even up there anymore.
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, she she well did it okay.
SPEAKER_01:Now I can't tell. I can't remember now exactly.
SPEAKER_03:The film was already set to go off. She didn't have to be up there.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, okay, so yeah. All right, yeah, it was gonna change anyway. So I really don't know what she was doing up there at that point, like why she didn't leave. Yeah because they already had changed, like you said, they already had changed it so that the fourth film had the splice in it, and it was on that part. So I mean, she just wanted to watch the horror of it happening.
SPEAKER_03:Did she have do you did she have to change the reel to the fort reel? That's why I thought I think we're maybe that's what she was doing, and before she could. I think she only went up to do that, and Zala interrupted her before she could leave.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she went up to change the reel. I I think that's what it was, you know? Right. Um so but luckily though her movie does go off, and the entire theater gets to see her movie, and it was very serious, it was very dramatic. However, she does end it with an evil laugh. I was like, what the fuck? I'm like picturing her in that dark corridor with Marcel. My note is I wonder how many takes it took for her to get that evil laugh just right, you know? Like, was did she go too ha ha ha ha ha? And he's like, hey, too much. Bring her back to my girl. Way too much, way too much, way too much, way too much. She's like, Nope, it's too simple. Like, oh, not enough, not enough. So I'm just wondering how many, like, I feel the laugh would have been the one thing where it's like that's not quite right. But yeah, we'll we'll never know.
SPEAKER_01:But she gets her revenge, she gets her uh you've been murdered by a Jew. Ha ha ha ha ha.
SPEAKER_03:It was pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01:Um but yeah, I just it's the greatness is just all these like little things happening that just kind of unravel. Like, so I mean, yeah, no one gets to really no one, I mean, so Taylor dies, of course, but no one really gets there happily ever after like seeing it actually happen. Like, you know, once she got shot in the stomach, I like there's way too much vital organs for us to survive this at this point.
SPEAKER_03:So, yeah, she well, I mean, and if I would have reached upstairs by then too, I don't think you know when you say happy, because I that was one of the things I was left with as well, right? The happy endings, like who the outcome of this, but something like that, that that cause you're not doing that, you're not doing that for yourself, you know, you're doing that for the next person, for everyone else, you know. It reminds me of ah, you don't watch Star Wars, man. Andor. It has that's what happened in Andor. We we talks about like there's this scene where he talks about taking up the the weapons of his enemy, you know, and fighting for a sunrise you'll never see, you know? And like missions like this, this is what you're doing. You're fighting for a sunrise that you will never see, because not about you, is but it's about you knowing that you set up the next person, the next generation, some other family individual to be able to. So I don't think that's why I think that they're all I think they all were gonna kill themselves, like we're not kill themselves, but go down with the ship, you know, and blow themselves up or go down in a fire. I think they were all planning to do that. That's that's where I settled, at least, you know. Uh we have to go back to Landa, he's he's talking to uh CIS, Secret Service, whoever, general or director or something, and he's making crazy demands. He asked for a medal of honor. That is wild.
SPEAKER_01:The man said he set up the whole plan himself.
SPEAKER_03:Which hey wild, very wild.
SPEAKER_01:You don't ask for it, ask for it, and a piece of land from Rhode Island, right? Or something like I think it's Rhode Island?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:Some personally, Medal of Honor for everybody.
SPEAKER_03:You give it like a wink, like hey, you know.
SPEAKER_01:We work together on this. So it's like, all right, brother.
SPEAKER_03:So so the movie ends with with so the general, whoever in the army in the American side tells Aldo, hey, we're gonna accept the demands, you're gonna travel outside the border with with Landa, and then switch places with him and bring him in as your prisoner. Yeah, and Aldo says cool, he goes out there, he kills the other dude, because Landa, for whatever it's worth, he fought for he negotiated for someone else's freedom too, or asylum as well. Yeah, Aldo kills that dude, and he goes ahead, and the movie ends with him marking Landa on the forehead with the Swatsaka so that he could never hide. How do you feel about that ending?
SPEAKER_01:Um You know, I well first, first, before we go too far, I think that I make it clear, I don't know if we did or not, but because I have it in my note. I was like, I have it in my note, oh, so the plan is thorted, and then I said, Oh, I guess not. Because uh, like you like you said, the guys, the guys are still there, um the the theater's on fire, everyone's screaming, the guys burst into the box office and absolutely light up Hitler to the point where he's you know essentially not recognizable.
SPEAKER_03:I almost felt like killing him was an afterthought though. Did you get that vibe? Right, right, right. Yeah. I mean, I guess they did come back and do what you said where they they focused on shooting him up, you know? Yeah, they did they did him up. He was already dead though, yeah. I don't know. Uh because they came in, they did shoot him, and then they were shooting down in the into the crowd. Yeah, they would shoot the crowd up. They did turn back their attention towards Hitler and then it light open up in him some more, I feel. Yeah. That's what I remember happening, at least.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So they uh so somehow both both uh bots both did what they were supposed to do, which was kill the high regime as well as um, you know, high-ranking officers, as well as Hitler and all this stuff. They were able to lock him up in the uh theater, there's nowhere to go. They got a 35 millimeter uh nitrate film just going off like crazy. Yeah, they got several bombs planted all over the place. You know, um, we know we see here now at this point now that um uh Landa is has negotiated his his own uh freedom and uh or not a freedom, asylum, to uh to the US, that he grabbed the blunt the bomb from um Lieutenant Aldo and planted it by the foot of uh Hitler and stuff like that. So he was guaranteeing that you know he was definitely gonna die or whatever. So so we did have that. Um so plan, plan a plan, I guess. It didn't work out, even though it was a horrible plan, but it worked like Shoshana's Shoshana's plan was much better.
SPEAKER_03:It was really good. It was successful, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It was successful, it went exactly the way she wanted it to go. Yeah, the only thing that threw it was you know the young soldier coming to bother her, and you know so she ended her life there. Whether or not she was planning to just go down with the theater or not, not entirely sure. I think that was I think they had a clear getaway, um, you know, aside from the fact that he because they weren't nowhere near the uh the actual theater, you know, they're sitting on top up top. So I think they had a clear getaway because everybody's like in everybody's inside for whatever remaining like you said, there was no guards anywhere.
SPEAKER_03:So in your mind, Marcel survived and he's out there alone and grieving Shosana's death.
SPEAKER_01:For sure.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:He flicked his his light and left. She was just watching for a second. I was supposed to leave. Homeboy came up there and thwarted her plan. So now for Marcel. Anyway, so back to uh the ending where yeah, he negotiates his. I mean, it was a fitting ending. It was it was I mean, it was that's that's what the bastards do. They either scout Nazis or or they whoever's um a survivor, they get marked up and they they marked him up. So there's no way he can ever hide, and you know, he's gonna take off that uniform at some point, and he's got the medal of honor, and he's got land, and he's gonna build this life. But unless he grows his hair in some weird bang way, every time they see him, they'd be like, yo, you a Nazi. There's nothing you can do, you can't get away from it. Like, I mean, it was just it was just fitting to the rest of the movie. Uh, but it also was abrupt. I mean, at this point, we're like two minutes and yep, two minutes, two hours and 30 minutes or something. So it's it's super long. So, but it also was just kind of abrupt.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I felt that way too. I agree.
SPEAKER_01:Carve, carve black. Oh, yeah. Okay, uh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:So, I mean I've been I've been kind of hinting at or teasing at this this kind of theory that I have with Landa, right? And in chapter five, right, it shows us chaos and the plant falling apart, in part because of Landa's like shrew detective skills, but also because in the bastards are idiots. I'm sorry, they're they're not good at their job, really. But Landa was able to deduce the plot and make his own scheme on the fly to capitalize on a situation and you know to gain his own freedom once the war was over, right? Yeah, because you talked about with the the dynamite with him finding it on Aldo and as an insurance policy putting it in Hitler's box just in case, you know, for it to go either way. Either and he he laid it out. He said, either, you know, um I make a call, let him know there's a bomb, the place is evacuated, and it can everything continues. Or you give me these demands, I get my freedom, you know, and from the German regime. Because he he said that he's just he's like I'm a contractor. Did you see that when he distanced himself from the Nazism when he was speaking with Aldo? He was like, Yeah, I'm not really, I mean, yeah, I guess I am. I'm out here hunting Jews and stuff, but I'm doing a job. And the job is over, you know. But going back to chapter three, right? He served Shoshana milk. And that makes me think that he knew who the hell she was from the job, and I think he wanted to see how things would play out. I think his plotting started from then. From the time he met her, he knew who she was. Because that milk the milk is so specific. He ordered milk at the farm. And he ordered and he didn't order milk for himself, he ordered milk for her. He gave her a glass of milk to drink while they were in that diner in chapter three. And I think that was part of that psychological, especially, and I feel even more strongly about this when you tell me about when you just revealed to me about the the strudel with the cream, and and you know how that was a test to see her heritage and her culture and if she was Jewish or not. I'm even more convinced he knew who she was. He didn't know what she was up to or what was going on, and I think he wanted to see what would happen. Back to your question about why he let her go in the beginning. He's just like, yeah, you know, like let's see what happens here. But with her coming back, I think he found that very interesting and fascinating. I think he's a man that's like coincidences aren't a thing, and for this girl to show up four years later, yeah, he wanted to see what was gonna happen, and I think he was gonna plan try and figure out if he can get her out, the same out to get out of the whole Nazi party. I think he was gonna see if he could have um an opportunity would have arised then, but then when he stumbled upon the bastards and bridges and their bullshit plan, he decided to go with that route instead of follow that path to gain his asylum. That's what I think happened, you know. So that's a good theory.
SPEAKER_01:I like it. I like it, I like it. I mean that's that's fair. That's a fair statement. It definitely, it definitely, especially with the milk and especially with the cream and the uh strudel, it definitely makes sense. That's why you know he might have he might have seen exactly because I was I was wondering that too. Like when he I wondered if they were like pictures and because he had kind of like a file and whole family and ages and stuff like that. He's like, let me confirm these details or whatever. So I was wondering if there's pictures and stuff in there.
SPEAKER_03:Of course, he's not what we learned from him in the movie, he doesn't ask questions he doesn't have an answer to.
SPEAKER_01:That's true.
SPEAKER_03:Very rarely does he do that. He already knows what you know what the answer is. He's looking to see what you're gonna say to him, right? But when remember when he went to that bar after the show, he saw the dead bodies on site. Oh, that's Stiglitz. Oh, he even knew the red shirt. His name is Wilhelm, also. He knew that guy's name. We know nothing about that guy. He knew who that guy was. Oh, these guys with the bastards. Yeah, I don't think he was out there hunting the Dreyfuses and not knowing what they looked like. Probably. I don't think so. You know? So yeah, he knew he knew about her the entire time. That's that's that's what I believe. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:I could buy that. I could buy that. I could also buy he just stumbled upon the he just stumbled upon the he or either that or he maybe had a maybe had a little bit of inkling, but definitely by the point by the time he got to the bar and you know everybody's dead there, he he knew what was going on, and somebody was gonna make an attempt, and he needs to figure out how. How can he position himself best to now survive after this part is over? Because now he's known as the Jew hunter. That is it. Yes. So he can't stay in Europe because he cannot stay there. Everybody knows that. So he has to go elsewhere, which where else are you gonna go? But America or US or whatever. So uh so yeah. So I think I think he saw the writing on the wall at that point. The war is like whittling down, and uh he's just like, well, if I help you kill him, what you gonna do for me? Which is an excellent next step. I mean, what else are you gonna do? So I mean, he gotta self-preserve. The other thing I thought that it was weird, like I I understand he did negotiate for the uh radio uh operator guy to to also, you know, uh be free of his war crimes, but I also was like, why? Why did he care so much about that guy? And that's just me thinking it had nothing to do, but it was, yeah, sometimes that was like the most reaction he's had the entire movie was this man dying. And I was like, why? I don't know. It was kind of weird.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01:But uh, alright. So uh score this thing. Let's score it. Let's score it.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, plot and writing. What do you got for that?
SPEAKER_01:I got plot and writing. Oh damn, I'm still singing. You're gonna have to go first because I have to find my notes. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I I gave it an eight. Um I gave it an eight. The the I actually and actually before we started recording, I had it as a nine, and I dropped it down to an eight. Because you did bring up some things and it made me think about it some more. So I gave it an eight. The chapter one was amazing. It was almost perfect. That could be like a little mini film, you know, in and of itself. Um, and it did a great job setting the tone. But the the stuff with the bastards, the movie's calling Glorious Bastards. This shit should have been called Hans Landa. I'm sorry. But the bastards, man, they didn't really do shit in the goddamn movie aside from being in it, you know. They died like right away. We spent so much time in chapter two learning about them, and it was it really wasn't for anything, you know. Yeah, so and then you brought up other plot points. The whole I really like chapter four, it was very exciting. I have here, but you're right, it didn't need to happen, you know. So I give it an eight.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I gave it an eight and a half, actually. So I went, I went in the middle. I went in the middle, um, for those exact reasons. What oh fine, eight.
SPEAKER_03:You're fine, no, your friend, your friend, I put it, I put it down. I mean, I can put the number in, it's fine.
SPEAKER_01:Because I was just in the middle of it's really great um storytelling, but there were just some of the plot holes, or some of the plot was just like, why did this happen? Like everything's great up until this one mistake, and it just didn't make sense. Well, multiple mistakes, but it just didn't make sense. So um, and then you know, like you said also, uh, some parts of it did drag a bit, so you know, yeah, it it wasn't just like full throttle the whole time, which can be cool, but also I mean you fell asleep on certain points, so I did, yeah. So that that does say a lot about it, but definitely a lot was said without a lot being said, and that's just amazing storytelling. So agreed, agreed kudos to to um Tarantino, because he wrote it and directed as well.
SPEAKER_03:For acting and casting, I have a nine.
SPEAKER_01:Solid nine. And why? Solid nine, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so let's talk about why why is it not a ten for you? We've talked a lot about Christoph Walls, but tell me why it's not a ten for you.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I feel like I don't know exactly why. Oh, okay. Um I feel like for me, for an actor acting to be a ten, I have to be emotionally moved. Like I was just moved by his brilliance, which is great, but I don't feel like I was emotionally moved in this story. So for me, that's why he does not get a 10 for me.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, it but it's not just for him, it's it's not an ensemble cast, it's a lot of people. I yeah, I don't care about anybody else. Okay, well, so and that so that leads into why I don't have it higher. I love what you said, but in addition to I'm gonna add to what you said, Brad Pitt, he was just fine in the movie. Just fine. I I what his build so high, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:I was okay, so I think I'm gonna let you go, but I think you're gonna say what I'm about to say. So go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:So for me, his accents were not great. I don't think he had a lot of heavy lifting to do in the movie. I don't think he had the most memorable scenes in the movie, and I talked about the the scarring and the backstory stuff that we didn't get. I don't know if they cut that stuff out, but I just he didn't Brad Pitt didn't do a lot in the movie, he really didn't. You know, I it's he's like I think he's a protagonist, he's like the main character, he's like the star of the movie or whatever. He's not Christoph Waltz is. And I just thought Brad Pitt was fine. Like everyone, Dan Kruger was better, Fastbender was better, more interesting, although he only had one scene essentially. Uh, my biggest and my biggest gripe is that Fastbender and Waltz never shared a scene. That would have been fun to watch. But yeah, Pitt Pitt didn't, he didn't he didn't really add a lot to the movie. That's I don't know. What were you gonna say?
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna add to that. I don't think Brad Pitt is that great of an actor. Like, ooh, I know, I know, I know. He has some very good movies. You know, he has some very, very good movies, but I don't think Brad Pitt has ever made me, me, feel that emotion. Except for, except for um The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. That movie does get me in the field, but I don't think it's probably his best acting job.
SPEAKER_03:It's probably his best acting job.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think it's him though. I think it's damn uh what's uh what's a woman? Oh, ooh, ooh, what's what's her name?
SPEAKER_03:Oh Kate Blanchett.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it is, it is, it is, it is. Yes, yes. I think Kate Blanchett, and especially once she starts getting into she's older and he's turning into a young, uh, a young man and then a teenager and she's watching the love of her life die. That part, and then you know, when he finally dies as a baby, I think her pain is what really drives me in that movie. Like he's fine in the movie, and you know, he's fine.
SPEAKER_03:I think that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think I don't think Brad Pitt is that great of a movie. He just gets really good roles. Fight Club is an amazing movie.
SPEAKER_03:The oceans let's look at some of his movies, right?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, I mean you were just trying to do that. So yeah, Fight Club, right?
SPEAKER_01:Fight Club is an amazing movie. But again, is it him or is it um Norton?
SPEAKER_03:Norton, right? I get uh Seven, another great movie, but is that him or is that Freeman?
SPEAKER_01:There you go. Seven is a really good movie, but is it him? Is it Freeman? Yes. Let me see what else we got here.
SPEAKER_03:You have Bullet Train Bullet Train Well, Bullet Train. Bullet Train's an ensemble cast. That's not even a serious movie. So it's a fun movie. But I did like Bullet Train. Oh, I did no, I did too. I did, I did like Bulletin. It's a fun movie, but it's not asking him to do anything to make me now. Um Mr. Mr. Smith is another fun movie, so who cares?
SPEAKER_01:You know, yeah, but I think a lot of their it was just their chemistry on on camera, which translated to them, you know, their life after the you know, after the movie was done, you know. But chemistry.
SPEAKER_03:That's drugs.
SPEAKER_01:Ocean movies are good, but also uh huge ensemble with some really big names. So it wasn't him by himself. Moneyball, Moneyball is good, but I did not see Moneyball. Ask him. You didn't see it? Okay. I like Moneyball, but it's not it's not asking a lot of him.
SPEAKER_03:It's just and that's what I'm saying. Same thing with this movie, it did not ask a lot of Brad Pitt, it really didn't. And I'm like, can you ask a lot of so he did you see F1? That's his newest movie, his latest movie.
SPEAKER_01:No, I didn't see it. I wanted to, but I didn't I didn't see it.
SPEAKER_03:I why I I watched it. Only reason I watched it was because um Damson Idris was in it. I love me some Damson Idris, you know, he's really good, young black actor, up and coming. Yeah, he was amazing in Snowfall. I was I I heard about F1. I was like, eh, Brad Pitt, okay, cool, whatever. When I saw Damson Idris was in, I said, I gotta watch this movie because I want to. Did he make it movies?
SPEAKER_01:Hmm. Did he make the movie instead of Brad Pitt? Oh, I didn't see it.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes. I mean, okay for me, for me, yes. Like Brad Pitt was just doing Brad Pitt things, he was just being Brad Pitt in a movie as he usually does, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me Joe Black, but you have Anthony Hopkins in there, another excellent actor.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I yeah, I I don't think he's that he's attractive, he's blonde, he's tall, he's not an idiot. So, you know, I he can he can be in a movie and you know drag a big name, but yeah, I don't think he's that creative an actor, personally, and that's just that's just me.
SPEAKER_03:So I'm trying to see what did he win? He has two Oscar.
SPEAKER_01:What? No, he doesn't. What do you want Oscar for? You better stop playing at me.
SPEAKER_03:He had yeah, he has two Academy Awards, he has two Golden Globes, he has two Emmys. Okay, so yeah, so I have his thing here. So he was nominated for Best Supporting Actor in 12 Monkeys, he was nominated for best actor in Curious Case of Benjamin Button and in Moneyball, but he didn't win for any of those. He was nominated, he won for a he had a producer credit for 12 years a slave, and he won Best Supporting Actor for For Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. But even as a supporting award, yeah, he wasn't the main guy.
SPEAKER_01:I don't have to watch uh Once Upon a Time in Hollywood because I didn't know it was that good.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, you got two names there, but that doesn't mean it was good. I mean, it generally is good. Like she's an award, I don't know, award shows, award stuff is weird, but but uh my thing, but the thing is, I think we're and we're what we're saying is he is billed as a top an A-list actor. He's an A-less actor, you know. But I mean, he's only been look what he's been nominated for in all these movies he's in, you know, and what he's won. I don't know. Anyway. Alright, our next category is production, cinematography, and visuals. What did you give that category?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's that's uh I'm half in it. I went to nine and a half out of ten. I'm going high. I'm going high.
SPEAKER_03:So nine and a half, or are you giving it a ten?
SPEAKER_00:Oh uh, do I gotta do toll numbers or fine numbers?
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no. No, what do you want to? No, I said you want to do nine and a half, or what did you want?
SPEAKER_01:Nine. Nine, nine, nine, nine.
SPEAKER_03:Nine, a nine, okay.
SPEAKER_01:You threatened me. I'm gonna say nine.
SPEAKER_03:I did not threaten you, gosh. I give huh. You see, I have the benefit of looking at our chart, the whole spreadsheet. That's not good. I gotta change something. I give Predator a nine for their production and cinematic.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:You did too, though. You did too.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:We gotta reduce that.
SPEAKER_01:We gotta let us know. Yeah, our power scaling. As we see like more and more better movies, we're like, oh, there's a line.
SPEAKER_03:That was the best movie we had seen though, up until then. Now this is so because I have a set a little better. I have an eight on this line.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you put a you put predatory.
SPEAKER_03:No, that's what I'm saying. I scored it without looking at the older scores. Now that I've seen the older scores, I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we got a level set for sure at some point.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I will also put a nine, and we have to go back and redo that predator score. Anyway, next is music and sound.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I give that a seven.
SPEAKER_03:Uh a seven? Oh, I did too. I forgot what I was. I thought it was very score. Yeah, I have a seven.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you looked at it like you can't read it. I'm like, bro, what? But yeah, I gave it a seven.
SPEAKER_03:What do you do for cultural impact? This is my hardest category here. I actually don't have a score yet. So I don't have a score either.
SPEAKER_01:I did not score cultural impact. No, no, I didn't score that way either.
SPEAKER_03:It's a really good movie.
SPEAKER_01:Um it's not something you like hear about really.
SPEAKER_03:No. You're not gonna I doubt you're re-watching it, you know. You might watch clips from it. I could see you watching a lot of clips, you know, on YouTube shorts from it or whatever, but to re-watch a whole movie, you're probably not doing that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I don't know. I I don't think it's very high on a cultural. Like, everybody knows Hitler's bad. You don't need a movie in which he dies to know that, you know. So I don't know. Uh three?
SPEAKER_03:Three? Did you say three just now?
SPEAKER_01:I did say three.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, you said that at the same time. All right, three it is.
SPEAKER_01:Solid three works, yeah. Yeah, I'm good with that.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Not bad, not bad. Uh, final closing thoughts on the movie.
SPEAKER_01:I think that again, um, I think that well, I mean, again, you have to like hats off to uh Waltz and you know what he was able to bring about. I mean, according to you know what I researched, he he was literally the reason why um Territino finally did the movie, produced the movie, directed the movie. I don't know if he produced it, but definitely directed it, and of course he wrote it. So um it essentially just launched him into Hollywood and and and and his several um follows up, follow-ups with uh with um Teratino, uh with Django and Chain and uh the Hateful Uh Hateful Eight. Hateful Eight, yeah. Yes. Uh which I absolutely love. The Hateful Eight. Like, oh my god. Love that movie. Either way, um, so yeah, excellent. Um it was it was a nice, nice little take on, you know, what if that had happened, you know. Um, but I mean at that point, again, it was almost the end of the war, so all the atrocity uh atro uh atrocities, no, atrocities, yeah. Atrocities, thank you, had already happened. So I mean people were already murdered. So I mean, I mean, cool, but you know, it'd have been cool if it happened in 1940 versus 1945. But you know. I think I think it was a nice little little like satirical version of what would have happened if someone had plotted to kill Hitler and actually succeeded. Um, it was a nice little callback that Shoshana was the one who took him out. Um I wish that she had got to say I don't know what you're gonna say.
SPEAKER_03:No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:I I wish she got to actually kill um Landa instead of uh I mean Hitler too, but yeah. But you know, she she got her she got her revenge in a different way. Yes, but yeah, overall, very good movie.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, overall, I really enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would, to be honest. The movie it does ask for you to give it all your attention, unless you're multilingual, but I don't know if a movie that is ultimately a comedy and a satiric take on World War II, I don't know if it should demand that much of your audience. You know, it's asking for you to sit there and just be glued to the TV. I think that's a high uh big ask for what this movie is. Um I talked about how the third chapter does slow down, it could be hard to follow and hold your attention because of there's no English in it, you know. So though those are the the detractors for the movie, my my my detractors for the movie. Christoph Waltz, though, I we haven't I don't think we can see enough about him. He's just amazing. He was amazing in a movie, he made it enjoyable, he made it worth the watch. He like I would reconsider what rewatching the movie just because of him in it, you know? And that's that's a big deal, especially with all the the negatives I just said about it. Uh I I do wish that Shoshana and him had one final encounter because essentially after that scene in chapter three, they never see each other interact again.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, he might have watched her because he knew who she was, or at you know, at that point. Yeah, I guess he's gonna be like, Or seek you knew who he was, so you probably saw her, but they didn't get to like interact and have any more tension of I know who you are. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So that that to me that's a big miss. And to me, that's a big uh could have been a big emotional scene as well. And that was kind of missed out on. It was a fun watch. I probably won't watch it again just because of it's a it's kind of a chore to watch, but I did enjoy the movie, and I would if no if someone's never seen it, I would recommend they watch it. I thought I thought it was a good movie. Well, that was our real talk and banter on Inglorious Bastards. Thank you. I promise that people we will get the intro, the the exit, the outro right. And I guess it's not gonna happen in episode four. See ya everyone. Bring me my Nazi scalp.
SPEAKER_01:Like let me see, let me see, let me see, let me see. Bring me my nasty scalps. Oh, what?
SPEAKER_03:No, that was that like some bad Italian in there? What was that? You start it off and then no, no, that's not it. That's not it. Gladi. Gladsi. Can we stop the recording now, please?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we can.
SPEAKER_03:All right.