Reel Talk & Banter
Ever wanted to just sit around and make fun of an old movie with your friends? That's exactly what Reel Talk & Banter is all about. Join best friends Omari Williams and Jay Richardson as they rewatch movies that came out at least a decade ago. It's a mix of a film review and a comedy roast, where they discuss everything from the plot to the terrible acting, and even if the film has stood the test of time. Get ready to laugh and hear some hot takes on your favorite (and least favorite) classic films.
Reel Talk & Banter
Ranking Holiday Classics With Heart, Humor, And Heat
We trade top five Christmas movie lists and dig into what makes a holiday film last: belief, chaos, nostalgia, and the way December magnifies joy and loneliness. The debate gets loud, the jokes get sharp, and a few surprising picks earn real defense.
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Hello and welcome to the Real Talk and Banter Podcast. I'm Amari Williams.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm Jay Richardson.
SPEAKER_03:And today we got something a little special for you all. We are doing a Christmas themed episode where we will rank our top five Christmas movies. Oh no. I thought you were going to do like a yay or no. Okay. Alright, that's fine. No, that's fine. Alright. I might put a sound effect in there.
SPEAKER_00:I intentionally like silence. I know you're waiting for it, so I'll just like say shit.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, whatever. That's what Christian was disappointed. Alright. So this episode is going to be very different from the format we normally do. We're not really going to uh rate these movies. Yeah, we're not going to go into rate these movies in depth or anything, but we're just going to give our top five. We're going to go in reverse order, starting with number five, and then we'll see how much we agree. We'll see why my list is better than yours.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's shots fired already, huh? We didn't even start yet. We didn't even start yet.
SPEAKER_03:I came I came to play, alright? I play for keeps.
SPEAKER_00:Alright. First of all, I feel like our list is just wildly different. Like I feel gonna be like, what the fuck? But I love it. I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_03:I think they will be too. I think they will be different.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like for my list, I'm not like joyful Christmas at all. I'm stress Christmas, I'm reflection Christmas, I'm on hinge business Christmas. It's just I'm bored. I'm bored.
SPEAKER_03:So was this easy for you to come up with this top five lists?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, immediately. I had my top five. It was okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know what's funny is when I said to you, oh, let's do a top five list, I said that to you, and then I realized, oh shit, I don't I don't know what that is for me.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I didn't know what it was. I'm gonna be honest. It wasn't until you asked me, and I was like, oh, then I just thought about the the first five movies that came in my head, I was like, that's it. That's my list.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, really? Okay I made it easy. I for me, number one and number two, my number one and number two, those were no-brainers, those were easy. Three, four, five. I agonized over. I watched a bunch of different movies or synopsis of different movies, trying to figure out what I'm going to do here. But it was not very easy for me. And to be honest, my number five, I I just locked it in like an hour or two ago.
SPEAKER_00:Like my number five, I literally just picked because I have my I So I was bouncing between six movies. I had six movies that came in my head immediately. My number five, I was like, you know what? I'm gonna put his number five, I'm gonna lock it in. Only because I just watched it on Tubi, which you know I love. So I was like, you know what?
SPEAKER_03:You stop make Tubi give us money, okay?
SPEAKER_00:Tubi needs to give us some money because I I brag about Tubi. I'm like, well, you do it. I'll watch a little Tubi. No big deal. Like Tubi is its old channel for me for sure. I saw it, I was like, lock it in.
SPEAKER_03:I do think um at the end we could do a little honorable mention just to see. I got some honorable movies. But did not make the list. Alright, well, let's go ahead. I want you to get us started, please, and give us your number five.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, so coming in number five, again, my theme is stress. Okay, reflection, unfinished business, kind of just kind of going around our way. So, coming in at number five, I have Jingle All the Way with uh Arnold Schwarzenegger.
SPEAKER_03:Jingle all the way. Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Jingle all the way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Jingle all the way. Interesting pick. Talk to me about that. How does that make it to your your number five?
SPEAKER_00:Alright. Firstly, it comes in at my number five. Uh, because I think this is one of the so obviously this is the 90s or so. Um it comes in my number five because it comes in right after Honor of Fortunator is kind of a big action star at this point. And it's one of the reasons he picked this role. He I think they actually said um he picked it because it kind of came off the action fig uh the action um uh action movie star thing and went into something a little bit differently. Um as well as this is a little this is a little this might get a little deep, but um I, you know, as you know, I didn't grow up with a father. So um this movie kind of touches on that where even though he was present as a father, he existed as a father, he wasn't really acting as a father. And when you get to the end of the movie, you pretty much see that the kid, uh, even though he was saying he wanted this particular toy, it really wasn't about the toy, he just wanted his father. So um I think it kinda pulls on my heartstream regarding that. Um, but also it kind of just shows the craziness of like Christmas and the stress and what people go through. And you know, it touches on I mean, I don't know if we really had it that much in St. Thomas, but you know, in the States for like when when like Black Friday and stuff really started hitting, you know, people going crazy for like the tickle me elbows and stuff where people like mur damn near murdering people to get toys for their for their families and stuff like that. So you could see that kind of chaos, um uh that chaos and that's um that theme throughout the movie. Um he was obviously wrong for waiting until the last minute to try to get this toy. Um but you know, it happens. I do that sh shit. I'd be I'd be on Amazon like on the 23rd, like, can it get here by the 25th? Like, I'm horrible about it, like really bad about it, but you know.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, I have no reason to be that bad as letting up those luxuries here, yeah, yeah, exactly. You think you would take advantage, but okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I should take better advantage of that with prime, you know. But yeah, on the 23rd, I'm like, damn, it's gonna be rough, but uh let's see what we can do. Um but yeah, so that's why it's at my number five. Um I think it's a nice card. Um also we have Sinbad on there.
SPEAKER_03:Sinbad is in this as well, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Sinbad is in there as well.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. Um I don't know when else I've seen that move this movie. I I'm I'm positive I have seen it. But I don't know. You remember the plot?
SPEAKER_00:Or you may go through it. I mean I pretty much said it.
SPEAKER_03:Um is is it it's kind of what you were just talking about, right? Like um trying to get a toy like right on Christmas Eve or whatever, I'm just gonna blow in it or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that is interesting. Um I'm wondering if this is a um recency bias, because you just you cop to watching it recently on Tubi. So for this to make your top five, I'm not trying to throw shade at your list. Your list is your list. I mean, you know, it's but I do reserve the right to tell you why your list is wrong. So okay.
SPEAKER_00:Let me hear why it's wrong. Are you gonna wait?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm just well, I mean, we'll see as we go through. Again, um I love twins. I love kindergarten cop, like I love the non-like action y stuff that Arnold does. I don't know if Jingle all the way makes that, but that's okay.
SPEAKER_00:I'm going for it. Let me hear your pick then, damn it.
SPEAKER_03:You better go hard. Let's go. So my my number five pick, um, again, I made it very late, and it's it's not I I don't think it's a very it's not a very sexy pick, it's not very interesting pick. It's a classic movie. I went with Dr. Seuss's How to Grin Stole Christmas.
SPEAKER_00:Are we talking about the Jim Carrey version? Because I could give you that.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, we're talking about the cartoon version.
SPEAKER_03:I am talking about the original 1966 Dr. Seuss animated Christmas TV special 26 minutes long. Okay. That's the one. Okay. And I'm gonna tell you why that's a correct answer and not the Jim Carrey one. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, let's read it.
SPEAKER_03:This was a realistic I was real, I went back and forth. I was unsure of which way I wanted to go. And again, the the nine the the one from the 60s is 26 minutes long. That's it. It's 25 and chase. Um, the Jim Carrey one, um, I think it's almost like two hours long. Like it's it's way too bloated. And when you actually look at that movie, all right, it's an hour, it's a hundred and five minutes, right? Oh versus 26 minutes. So it's a little less than two hours.
SPEAKER_00:I mean it's not bad.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, but you took a short story and you bloated it with a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff. Um to be honest, like Jim Carrey, I would argue, is he actually the Grinch in the movie, or is he just Jim Carrey dressed as a green guy doing Jim Carrey things? And if that's what you're there for, alright, cool. But I don't know, man. Jim Carrey, he's not all that. He's not all that.
SPEAKER_00:You're not a Jim Carrey fan?
SPEAKER_03:Listen to me.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna stand on business here. Oh my god. I I was there watching this movie, you know, the mask, you know, like pet detective, adventura, you know. Yeah, I grew up seeing those movies and haha, yeah. Oh cool. It just now I'm just I'm just I'm good on Jim Carrey. Like, I just it's just too much. It's more is a lot of the same stuff in each of those movies. And I I don't know. Um I'm not I'm not a Jim Carrey guy. I'm not. I just I'm not like you know, he's not the Grinch, he's doing a whole bunch of extra stuff. He he saves Cindy Lou who Cindy Lou in the first 20 minutes of the movie. It's like what the fuck? Like, you're not supposed to be saving anyone, you're the goddamn Grinch. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just the spirit of the movie isn't really there, and it's an inferior version to the original. The original was short on point. Dr. Seuss wrote all the lyrics for it, the way it needed to be, it was perfect, and we just try to make it into something more, it's unnecessary. So I went with the Grinch, how the Grinch stole Christmas. Number five.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, okay. I think you're biased because one, apparently you don't like him, which is the this is the first I've ever heard you say that. So I have to really uh you have to really think about some things, and then two, you don't like long movies. So I think you're about to not true.
SPEAKER_03:That's not true that I don't like long movies.
SPEAKER_00:Like anything 85 minutes and under. You're like, yes, that's it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it depends. Like the movie has to be like stuff has to be happening in the movie if you're gonna be long. You can't just be long for fucking runtime sake. Like, what are we doing here?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's true. That's fair.
SPEAKER_03:Avengers Endgame is three goddamn hours long, and I'll watch that bad boy every day if I could. All right. I love that movie. So it's not just about the runtime. Alright? Fine, but the runtime has to matter, and it doesn't matter, it's just it's just a bunch of extra bullshit. It is the last time backstory.
SPEAKER_00:Why not though? Like, who doesn't like character development? You want to know why the Grinch is a Grinch?
SPEAKER_03:He didn't develop anything. It wasn't. They told you at least. Nah, man.
SPEAKER_00:Nah. Oh my god. I don't know. Alright, so you don't care why this green guy just hates Christmas. You're just like, shit, go for it, man.
SPEAKER_03:He's a Grinch. That's why he's the Grinch. That is why he's a good one.
SPEAKER_00:He was the Grinch because of something happening. Then he became the Grinch. He ended the pop out of the Grinch.
SPEAKER_03:You see, y'all are soft, man. You want everything explained, you want everybody to have a tragic backstory. That's not always the case. Sometimes people just suck.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Alright? Sometimes people. It also makes it less meaningful. Because it's one thing for him to be heartless as a heartless tyrant, and then for him to come around and be like, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't be this asshole. But now he's all tragic and it's like, oh poor Grinchy. No, get the fuck out of here. Not my Grinch. Hashtag not my Grinch. Alright. Yeah. Do you have any more thoughts on this? Okay, we move on.
SPEAKER_00:Let's move on from the Grinch. Alright. Alright. You're number four. Number four. Okay. Again. This is gonna be this is going to be controversial, but that's okay. I'm here for it. And I'm here for you. Shitting on my list. I'm still gonna watch it. I don't care. Alright. My number four, I have Home Alone. Not one. Not two. Three. Home Alone Three.
SPEAKER_03:Listen to me. The rest of your fucking list better be Home Alone's two, everyone. Because what are you doing?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely not. Absolutely. What are you doing? Home Alone 3. We're gonna go with it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03:Now, Home Alone 3, if I remember correctly, that was the home alone. That was our home alone because we were like what seven years old? Like when the theaters, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:However, however. What? You know what? I'm sorry. Please explain.
SPEAKER_00:Why?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, why Home Alone 3?
SPEAKER_00:I feel like Home Alone 3 was much more realistic than Home Alone 1 and 2. Okay? I mean, just off the freaking bat. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Your selection is like making me like it's giving me like a reaction inside. I'm trying to contain myself.
SPEAKER_00:No, you bring you bring it in there. You bring that in, okay? Hold on three. We got Alex, you know. He's a home, he's a kid, stuck at home with chicken pox. Why? I don't know. Um, but yeah, his uh his parents disappear as well. Some old lady's supposed to look after him, or he's supposed to look after her. I don't know. But either way, I like it. I've always liked it and I've liked it from the beginning of time. I think it's mostly because it's the one we grew up on, like you said. Why while Home Alone 1 and 2 um with Nikolay Culkin, obviously Nicole Culkin is, you know, great in that role. Um, but I don't know. I've always liked three better than one and two. Like I watch it all the time. I used to watch it all the time. I liked it. And I and also, also, also, also, also I really, really, really wanted a remote control car, and that was the gift that they were kind of going for. So, you know, it just it just triggers some. I was, I was. I really want a remote control car. You know why I didn't get a remote control car? You remember my house back home?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, it was on the second story, or I had and it had two stories. So I did get a remote control car one time, and I proceeded to fling it over the side of the fucking porch, and it went crashing down, and my mother said, I will never get you another remote control car, and I was devastated. And this is why I decided again I tell you, my list is about disappointment being alone. Uh this is no shade to home alone one and two. You know, those are fine movies, okay, but it's still not my favorite, okay.
SPEAKER_03:The only re way your statement of no shade to one and two is true is if both of those movies show up later on your list. Do either of those movies show up later on this list of yours?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely not. They do not. Oh my god. They're not there at all. They're not there at all.
SPEAKER_03:You are saying that this is the So are you saying this? Are you saying that this is the best home alone?
SPEAKER_00:I never said that. I said we are giving you my list of Christmas movies. Okay. I am not saying that. I think one is superior to all.
SPEAKER_03:But I just wanted to be clear about that.
SPEAKER_00:I think one is superior to all. Okay. I think two is really kind of weird.
SPEAKER_03:I'm still go, I'm still coming to grips with Home Alone 3 being on this.
SPEAKER_00:But one is superior to three. I will be with that.
SPEAKER_03:Uh oh, uh, you can get a s a pass because of that. I do I do I will I'm not gonna front and say I do remember watching Home Alone 3 as a child and be like, this is awesome, you know? Um that's the end of that sentence. Okay. Damn.
SPEAKER_00:Well, okay, let me hear your number four. Because if you are just I mean, you bet you better say the most amazing movie I've ever heard in my life. Go for it.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, listen, I'm not convinced you may know this movie. So this movie for my number four, uh it's the first new uh sorry, what am I trying to say? It's the only new movie on my list. Most everything else we can c put in there, like the classics or their older movies, right? Uh this movie this movie though was made in 2019 by Netflix. I know Netflix puts out a lot of crap.
SPEAKER_00:No, that movie having some gems, right? Okay, go for it.
SPEAKER_03:They have some gems, but they also do have a bunch of crap too, right? But this movie right here is a 2019 Christmas film called Klaus. Have you heard of or seen this movie?
SPEAKER_00:Klaus Klaus. Um, L A U S.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You see, listen to me. My whole list here, I went for the spirit of Christmas, right? Okay. Am I getting that that vibe, you know? And it part of it could be too being a parent, just like, can I sit down with my my my child and watch this, you know? Um animated movie. And I actually it's an animated movie. I literally rewatched it with Risa Malachi just on Sunday, yesterday. And God is so good. It's so the the the voice cast, you have uh Jason Schwartzman, J.K. Simmons, Rashida Jones, Will Sassel, um Norm McDonald, Joan Cusack, you know, are all in this movie and they're just doing their thing. So the story is about this rich spoiled postman, uh, he's kind of like flunks out of like post school or whatever the hell. So his dad cuts him off and sends him into the middle of nowhere to some snowy place, you know, up north to help develop their postal, their postal network, right? Which is kind of like a hopeless, meaningless job. He gets there and it's some backwards town. You have these people that are in like a Montague and coplet copulets type of argument. They've been arguing for decades. Nobody knows why, you know, they all hate each other. And there's this this this uh big burly guy that lives off in some cabin by himself. Um turns out he makes like he makes toys, he's good with woodworking, actually. And eventually some of the kids sends a letter to the postman asking for like a toy. Homeboy gets involved, and it's just it it's it's a predictable story as far as like the postman, you know, puts away his selfishness and and um starts to think about the greater good and think about it it talks a lot about doing good deeds for others and having a good deed returned for you. The old dude in the cabin, he's off by himself because his wife died, so he's all you know curmudgeonly and everything. So he slowly starts to warm up. Um Restila Jones character, she's like stuck in this town and she's trying to raise money so she can get the hell out. She's a teacher, but no one sends their kids to school because the kids they're they're segregated, they don't want to freaking intermingle with the other you know family. So anyway, through all of this stuff, like the the town, the kids start to come together and they start writing letters, and you slowly see the mythology of Santa just developing, right? And eventually this guy, his name is Klaus, but he becomes Santa, right? And they start, you know, writing him letters. Then they start saying, Oh, you know, um, you know, he comes at night to deliver these gifts, and you know, the postman started a rumor because it was some bad kids. He was like, Well, you know, he he knows you better you better be good because he can tell. And I said, What do you mean? So they were like, Wait, we wouldn't get gifts if we're good, and you just see all the traditional typical things that you associate with Santa. You see like a logical in-story reason for those things developing over time, and then they you know they overcome the the segregation and division within the community, and it's a beautiful story, it's just a beautiful story. I'm gonna check it out, but I have not watched it. Yeah, okay. It's really good, it's just really, really good. So that made my number four. Usually these new movies are just kind of just you know, factory-made Christmas stuff, you know. Uh, but this one, it's it has a chance to be like standard test of time, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_00:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Come on, that's high as hell, and you only put it at four, but okay. Okay. Yeah. I understand why.
SPEAKER_03:He's never gonna see one or two. The highest it could have been my list was maybe three. Maybe three. Okay. But it was never gonna hit one or two. It just it wasn't. It wasn't.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Alright, so time to get into some uh more appropriate answers. I think five and four I just slotted in for shock value.
SPEAKER_03:Consider us shocked.
SPEAKER_00:You said jingle all the way, the fuck. Anyway, so my number three, my number three a little bit more traditional. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I also well, you had a you had an animated movie number four, but for number three, I I'm going to an animated movie. Um also something real uh really well done. Um, and I think I think could also stand the test of time. Um, but for number three, I have the Polar Express. Ooh, oh my god. Polar Express is amazing. Are you out of your mind?
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm I'm not going to criticize the Polar Express because well, too much. I haven't sat down and watched the entire thing. What the f- It's only an hour and 30 minutes is up in. You said what?
SPEAKER_00:It's only like an hour and 30 minutes. It's not bad.
SPEAKER_03:No, I understand that, but you didn't get freaked up with the uncally uncanny valley of it all, like the animation style and the fucking dead eyes of those kids and stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah, you have to ignore that part. Just ignore that part. Other than that. No, I I couldn't.
SPEAKER_03:I couldn't. I couldn't.
SPEAKER_00:No, it was creepy as well. Something was wrong with the movie. I don't know. But aside from that, um I like, again, kind of, well, I wonder if this is. I'm trying to think if this is an actual recurring scene of like doubting Santa Claus, doubting Christmas. Um kind of uh I think it kind of went into again childhood kind of like slipping away. Um, you know, again, I I think these kids were dead. I'm gonna be honest. I think they were dead, but okay, whatever. We can we can they were they were dead, they were dead, but it's fine. Um but yeah, it was I think it was kind of not just in thematically, it wasn't just a train, it was kind of a test of faith. And I liked it. I enjoyed the journey. Um, you know, you have your conductor who's like, hey, come aboard the train, I'll take you somewhere. Nice. And you're like, hmm, creepy. Where's your parents? But whatever. Aside from that. Aside from the main point of the damn movie. Um yeah, I think I think it was good. I think it was really well done well. I think that um, you know, I'm a big Tom Hanks fan. I hope you are too, but um I am.
SPEAKER_03:I knew he did this. Okay, which is why I try to give it a chance, but I just yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Robin Zemecus made this? Huh.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't look up the director, which is bad, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's Zemeckis.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. But yeah, I think it's I think it's messy. And Christmas is messy. Like it is not this perfect bow of everything is well, and you know, things just work out. I mean, I guess relatively I guess generally they kind of do at the end of the movie just to make it so it's not like depressing. But a large part of that movie was not everything worked out, everything is great. It was all over the place. There was uh all this internal um, I guess, conflicts they have of themselves. Um, but they turned it around and I like that. I like to see that. Um the kids are definitely like like you said, they're deadey. They're scared, they're kinda excited, they're kind of unsure. The one dude is selfish as hell. He sh he shouldn't have been on there, but you know, he was.
SPEAKER_03:So um So were these kids lost or you know what?
SPEAKER_00:I like I said, I think they're dead. I think they're like being like escorted to I guess whatever kid heaven is for them in this movie.
SPEAKER_03:But this is so dark.
SPEAKER_00:It does get dark if you start thinking about it, but but and then I like the thing at the end where it kind of goes with the with the little bell thing where like I guess not everybody hears it, just people who still believe you're able to hear it, so it just gives you something to think about. It gives you a nice little warm and fuzz. Um and then kind of like when you believe, it doesn't just mean like blind ignorance, which sometimes when people believe they can get into that, but it's just about kind of openness and allowing for like hope and allowing for things to change, allow allowing for there to be meaning. Um especially in a world right where right now everything has to be logical and explained. Sometimes there are things that just can't be explained, and you know, whatever you believe in, uh whatever, you know, God or spiritual or or whatever it is, or sansa, you know, whatever it is that you know you believe in that helps to to get you through those days when things can't be explained. But um, I think it's good for kids to still have that hope. I mean, when you become an adult, it all goes down the drain. So as long as you can hold on to it, kids, please do, because it sucks on the other end.
SPEAKER_03:I know, I know, yeah. So I mean that's that's a very good pitch. You made it sound very lovely. It is lovely. The dead eyes are weird now. It is creepy. The movie creeps me out. It's creepy, it's creepy, creepy.
SPEAKER_00:I totally agree. I'm not gonna argue that point to you. It is very creepy. You know what? You know what? I actually did not like Polar Express when it first came out. In fact, I used to change it, but um, it became a repeat, you know. Obviously, it pops up every freaking Christmas.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's always on, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so I think one time I got stuck watching it and I was like, and I had to actually like sit and pay attention. I was like, oh, this isn't bad. And then I really like got into it. I was like, oh, I like this. So those other themes started popping out for me, which you know, I like.
SPEAKER_03:So okay, all right. I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, alright.
SPEAKER_03:I'm up for my number three.
SPEAKER_00:I'm ready to shit on your shit. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03:Good luck. Good luck.
SPEAKER_00:Let's go.
SPEAKER_03:My number three is the Muppet Christmas Carol. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:That is surprising.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know why.
SPEAKER_00:I didn't think that I didn't think that you have that on there. I don't know. So that's not a bad one. I like that choice. I'm just surprised. So I need to take this in. So so give me your reason why. Why why why are you liking this? Why is this your number three?
SPEAKER_03:So this movie I also hadn't I had not seen this movie in a long time. And probably I I don't think I've seen this movie in my adulthood until recently. I watched it this past weekend um as I was doing my research. And before I even get into the specifics of the movie, I've always liked uh the tale of a Christmas Carol. I just I like Ebenezer Scrooge. I like the ghosts of you know past, present, and future. I just love that story. Yeah. And when I reminded myself of that, I said, okay, well, I need to find one of those movies have to make my list. I need to find which is the best one, or the one I think is the best, you know? And hands down, the Muppet Christmas Carol. It's it's it's such a great movie. And again, going with the whole I know there's some other contenders if we're just talking about Christmas Carol movies for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, there's there's a lot of better Christmas Carol movies, but okay.
SPEAKER_03:There are some that are arguably better, people think are better, or whatever, and that's a lot of people, you know, you can find varying lists and stuff. Um But the when I talk about the spirit of Christmas and because I'm not a big, I'm not a big like Muppet person, which I'm sure is why you're that's why I was very surprised.
SPEAKER_00:Like, oh the Muppets this, I know that's why I was very, very surprised. I didn't want to say it, I didn't want to out you, but I was like, I ain't never heard this man talk about Muppets nothing in the entire 30 years that I've known you. So I'm like, I'm surprised at that one, but okay, I'll let you go.
SPEAKER_03:Listen, the way that they did this movie, um having Gonzo as a narrator, as Charles Dickens or whatever, and you're getting like exact lines from the text here and there, you know, um how to utilize Kermit um and and the tiny Tim of it all. But honestly, the real like what brings it home is um Michael Cain as Scrooge. Okay, he just completely just crushes the fucking role.
SPEAKER_00:And okay, he does. He does, and I'll okay, keep going. I'll tell you why I don't like it, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:Oh okay, so I I just I Michael Cain even in the moments there was a part in because I'm watching it and I think I think it was the young version, so it must have been a past, the the ghost of Christmas past, which was very horrifying, by the way. That ghost, I was like, oh my god, this is scary. But the the young actors who were acting out that scene, um, eve their performance wasn't like really it they didn't like crush it, but when we cut to Michael Cain, who was reacting to it and the pain of his lost love, he just brought it back home. And I'm like, dude, my every time Michael Caine was on the screen, you're like, God, this man is just fucking he's just he's like, I don't give a fuck that this is a Muppet movie. Alright, I'm gonna act my ass off. And he just he captures the essence of Scrooge, um and he he went through the three stages very convincingly, and it was a pleasure, a joy to watch him go on that journey with the three different ghosts and and to see his change. So Moppy Christmas Carol had to make my list because of that.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, okay. Um and the reason you just named is almost the reason why I can't put it up there because Michael Cain, first of all, he's still alive, which I had to check. I was like, damn, he's old as fuck.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, it's like 92 or something.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he's 92, he's up there. Um, so kudos to him and whatever juice he's drinking. But um that's the problem. Like, Michael Cain, as Ebony the Screws, is giving this serious, just emotionally grounded performance, like he was like in a separate movie, like a like a like a prestige drama. And then you have freaking Kermit the Frog like singing about Tiny Timbers and breaking the fourth wall, which just kind of like takes you out of the story of um uh oh shit, of a Christmas carol, which is like it's supposed to be like kind of heavy and haunting and kind of morally urgent, like that's the whole point of the ghost of Christmas present, uh past, present, future, right? Um, so you try to feel like you know, the dread and the regret and the existential fear of what's gonna happen in the future, and then a Muppet is cracking a joke in the middle of it. So it just kind of takes me out of it, and I don't like that. I don't like that. But that's just a personal thing. I'm I'm sure some people were fine with that, especially as a kid. Um, but I think it was it was almost like remember when we were talking about kind of going back to um White Chicks and how um Terry Cruz was kind of like on his own thing, and it was either everybody follow him or he followed everybody, so it was just like almost two different movies happening at the same time. So that's what's happening for me, and you know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I hear what you're saying, but it is a Muppet movie, though.
SPEAKER_00:It is a Muppet movie, yes. I get that. But it just I guess I just don't like that they fucked with a Christmas Carol, and it just makes it like the danger of like, oh shit, if I don't change my if I don't change my ways, you know, this is gonna happen, and that's the whole point of the lessons of Christmas Carol.
SPEAKER_03:So you don't think that was conveyed in that movie?
SPEAKER_00:No. Man went every freaking every time he every time he was around, somebody was singing. Like, I mean, he wasn't alone. Friggin' rat singing at him, like where the rat singing? Like, ah. Anyway.
SPEAKER_03:But the but the songs were actually good in this movie, doesn't it? The songs are crap. I didn't say the songs are bad.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't say the songs are bad.
SPEAKER_03:No, but no, but you're saying it's taking you out of it, but it took me out of it. I I I feel like it added to it. I feel like it it helped package it in a way that'll be digestible for all audiences because that greedy, like grounded story you're talking about. All right, you can't have kids watch that, kids aren't gonna be able to. But I feel like the way the Muppet, I feel like they tore the line to give us that grounded take, and then also lighten it up enough so children could be so it can be the story can be accessible to children um and adults. So that's that's what I I think is a versatile movie. But I hear I hear you, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. But that made my number three.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I and I I also agree it is a Muppet movie, it is a kid movie, and you have to lighten up some of the themes for kids to digest, because other than that, you have no idea what's going on. So I totally get it.
SPEAKER_03:This man is let's be real, this man is being haunted and tortured by fucking ghosts, right? Yeah, so yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00:And you can't you can't tell kids that because they're like, what the fuck? So well then I'll say what the fuck, but you know, obviously you can't do that, but it just for me the the Christm a Christmas carol works because of that darkness and the Muppet takes it out of it. So that's why that's why I wouldn't agree with that. But I I I get it. It's a it's a it's not a bad choice, but I I wouldn't have put on your list. One, I never hear you say a damn Muppet, not a damn thing in all your life. Two, it just messes up the Christmas carol, but all right. Alright, we're at number two.
SPEAKER_03:Let's hear your number two.
SPEAKER_00:Alright, number two. It's a classic. It's a classic. I'm going, I am going back on this one. Um, and this one is 1974's The Year Without a Santa Claus.
SPEAKER_03:The Year Without a Santa Claus. I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's what that's called? Okay, I know what that is. I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. You Googled. I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they got pretty heatmeister.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You would need a way back machine for this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, talk to me. I do love some clay mo um motion, um claymation or stop motion. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a fan. And this would have made my um spoiler, but this would have made my honorable mention list. But please tell me why this is amazing.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I think you hit it right on the head. I love claymation or uh stopmation. I think like how do I make those movies? Just literally moving pieces one by one by, you know, uh or essentially, yeah, one by one by one is crazy. But to see it all come to life and come together. Um as well as a it's just a classic. Um it's actually one of the movies that my mother grew up on, so she kind of enforced it on me as a kid, and I ended up uh loving it. And we used to dress up as uh Heat Miser and Snow Miser, um and you know, be all crazy and just kinda it just brings about it's a good it's a good Christmas um memory for me. So um it's more of uh nostalgia just directly to my to my life, and um, like I said, shout out to mom. She she brought it into me. But as well as that has a good story. I I like it a lot. Um, you know, um, you know, Santa decided, yo, I'm tired of this shit. What the fuck? You kids don't give a shit about me. It was out. I was like, I'm tired of this, which is kind of like a good theme of like, you know, I think that, and this is just me thinking, um, uh, I think that we take for granted the things that that just kind of appear in our lives, especially as children, where oh, like, you know, you wake up in the morning, oh Christmas! You're like, yeah, what did your parent have to do to get that for you, right? Like, what is that? Like, and so um I think it has some nice themes in there. Again, a little bit darker. Um I think it had a but quickly, I'd say quickly, um, even though Santa uh you know quit kind of. He was like, Yeah, I'm taking a year off or whatever. I think it was a year or so. He was like, Yeah, I'm dead with this. Um, you know, the kids notice, which is good. They weren't just like, oh, what the oh you mean you've been gone? Like they notice, they're still concerned, you know, they're like, Hey, what's going on? They show kindness of belief. Um and then it comes back, brings Santa to show that you know Christmas uh doesn't exist because of him alone, it exists because people choose to again, people are choosing to believe in this thing, and it I think that's
SPEAKER_03:important lesson but um it kind of like describes that christmas is more or less a kind of shared responsibility like it's not on one person or one thing it's for everybody to kind of take part in for it to truly have the truth truly have the meaning of Christmas and also it's not a guarantee you know if the one person quote unquote doesn't you know responsible for it just like I'm not doing it anymore then you're like oh shit what are we gonna do so um yeah so that's why it's on my list the year without a Santa Claus 1974 listen to me I have zero notes about this okay this movie it's it's and it's so weird too like there's there's like a charming weirdness about it um it's it's a really fun watch it's great I have nothing negative to say about this hey I'm redeeming myself I'm glad I'm glad this is on your list all right yeah this this was this is nice this is very nice all right let me hear yours all right my number two is going to be I'm just gonna go ahead and write a wrong that you committed earlier in this podcast oh boy let me hear which home alone you picked it's home alone it's home alone it's gotta be home alone home alone home alone is easily that is a Christmas classic it is it is um a modern classic because like some of you just picked in the 70s and there's a lot of 70s uh you know 60s 50s even sure but home alone the real home alone with McCully Culkin like I don't know what's what's homeboy's name alone okay quick what's his name what's his name tell me his name tell me his name the actor's name or the character's name oh I don't know the fucking actor's name okay all right it was Alex's name was Alex I know that get out of here man anyway was Alex get out of here uh sorry home alone home alone so you said home alone three I know it's in your mind now you like it no it's because you're haunting me with it okay I don't even have to talk much about this movie it's great um Macaulay Culkin just the child actors usually are not that good and he just had it he did have it he did have it yeah Richie Rich Home Alone Richie Rich Home Alone Nothing else matters nothing else matters all right um yeah um home Home Alone 2 is cool too you know but just the original first home alone 1990 great year you know yeah a lot of amazing people came into existence in that year right uh present company included right but um I I just Home Alone is the answer um the wet bandits you know uh creepy old dude that's keep scaring the shit of the um the old dude you know who's yeah what was his deal I don't know if he's like the heart of Christmas or something I don't fucking know and even the absurdity of it because and I know you talked about how three is more realistic or whatever but nah man like the absurdity of it of this man got electrocuted became a skeleton came back and then was like cool afterwards I'm not even talking about that stuff right because yeah those guys should have died a thousand times over but I'm talking about the inciting if incident of them forgetting a child home oh yeah getting on a plane yeah yeah yeah piecing out that is crazy right unrealistic and I even like re-watching it you know as an adult you see how they tried to explain it all the tickets got coughing it end up in the garbage and then there was the one neighbor kid who got miscounted I saw they they work very hard to be like this could happen no no but the McAllisters are terrible parents terrible parents they're both for abandoning the child but for sure whatever man as these hijinks ensue I'm um home alone just it just never gets old it's always great it's always funny you know um uh the the movie was what you filthy animal oh my gosh it's so quotable get out of here man home alone three get the fuck out of here that's not it home alone let's get it home alone is a a great Christmas movie it is definitely a classic I will give you that I have nothing against it I just chose three because it makes sense hey you went with your heart you went with your heart with my heart that's what Christmas is about exactly I went against the masses that's right you'll never get me you coppers I just made it up I'm pretty sure that line was not in there but that's fine.
SPEAKER_00:That's not the line but that is not it's it's okay it is okay but also yeah they should have died like straight bricks to face like I don't understand how they got up that was brain damage he should have technically been arrested for murder I mean I don't know how that works but I feel like he might have been not New York where are we in there Chicago?
SPEAKER_03:Do they have standard ground laws? Ooh I don't know because I mean they were trying to break into the house.
SPEAKER_00:I mean they were they were for sure for sure for sure so for sure I don't know but yeah from I mean yeah I don't there's no excuse for her getting your kid um I'm pretty sure the dad was a drug pin uh kingpin because I don't know how he afforded you know a luxury first class ticket you know trip to Paris for like 10 people plus parents and uncles and all that but either way yeah they it should have never happened but you know I mean hey that was uh before 9-11 it was easier to travel back then yeah you could just walk on like shit yeah all right all right here comes your number one pick and my number one pick this is the last opportunity for us to have some type of overlap on I'm surprised we didn't hit I mean I guess we kind of got close with the home alone but I'm surprised we didn't hit I'm surprised we didn't have at least one but uh okay let's go for it so my number one pick my number one movie for Christmas is The Nightmare Before Christmas okay let's let's get it that's an honorable mention for me that's an honorable mention for me I thought we'd have connected on number one I'm so listening though that was one of the movies where um for my number five slot I was kind of going back and forth with um and I did watch it uh recently I just I I had to leave it off but talk tell people why Nightmare Before Christmas is awesome um just just general chaos just like you know Jack miss Jack first off uh essentially misinterprets what Christmas is really all about which he just thought is just the aesthetics and the bright lights and the snow and all that stuff um Santa gets kidnapped uh you know it's kind of murderous there's uh there's kind of this Frankenstein and Frankenstein's monster thing going around there's a little bit of slavery going around I don't know yeah you know it was just all over the place and I like it I like it a lot um but then we circle back to Jack and the real reason which is uh you know self-acceptance right um you know he thought that uh he needed Christmas but he really didn't he just needed to accept himself and what he really stood for um it was kind of a lesson which I like it I don't know I've always liked it yeah and I'll always it's it's uh I don't I don't I'm I'm not sure why I kept it off but and the soundtrack is really good too is amazing yeah it's it has a really good soundtrack um I do like it the I well I so okay I said I watched it recently I didn't finish it but um just because I was doing other stuff it's not that it was too long or anything I just was doing a bunch of stuff but um like early on in that first scene uh after we like we got a kind of overview of the whole town and uh Jack Skeleton's walking by somebody's like what's up bone daddy I was like what the fuck I was like dude Bone Daddy is crazy that is a crazy picture I I forget that but that's hilarious I was like what the hell oh my gosh but no it's it's again it's weird it's weird it's a weird ass movie um Tim Burn yeah it's it's classic it's fun uh you have more of that stop motion stuff you know it's it's good yeah it's it's a really good movie you can kind of see the you could see the theme in me in what movies I enjoy which is kind of dark a little different and you know yeah I don't know yeah it's it's kind of it's it's visually it's visually there's emotionally there thematically musically like I think it commits fully to every single one of them it's looking at identity dissatisfacts uh dissatisfaction kind of belonging and I think we all well yeah I think we all kind of struggle around that and then Christmas has a way or the holidays has a way of highlighting that and highlighting it highlighting that damn what did I do this year? What did I do with my life? Who am I? So I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Well it's about to what was I watching I think no a lot of what you're saying I think it was what was I um it may have been in the nothing Christmas Carol but it talked about how if if if you're um if you have surrounded by family and loved ones you know Christmas has a way of highlighting that you know or the holiday season has a way of highlighting and and make magnifying that for you but if you're alone you know it also magnifies that as well right where you just you feel that aloneness even more unbearably nope it wasn't it wasn't map as Christmas Carol. Malachi was watching something some Christmas something on Netflix and I'm just like I was like damn they're spinning bars like I don't know what that movie was it was some random Christmas movie he was watching but that that part stuck with me which is yeah I get that like you well I say I get that I can't really get that because I've never had to really experience just being alone you know but for people that have that where they don't have that network of community or or whatever the case you know it can be hard and you can't have to remember that going through the holiday season like yes it brings you joy but it may not mean the same thing for everyone you know so you just gotta be kind of aware of that. Alright I like I like listen your list it had a rough start I'm gonna be honest with you but you finished wrong.
SPEAKER_00:You finished wrong that's fair that is fair I made it up 321 I made it up all right let me hear your number one sir go for it.
SPEAKER_03:My number one knock me dead and what I find to be one of the greatest Christmas movies ever and I watch this movie every single year.
SPEAKER_00:Elf starring Will Farrell Elf is fucking wild elf Elf is your number oh my god what's wrong with Elf I I don't even have the words for what's wrong with elf I just feel like it doesn't belong there.
SPEAKER_03:It doesn't belong there elf all the other movies you can pick elf are you serious you're the person that drafted that chose homolog you chose the worst home alone you chose creepy ass Poland Express and one of Arnold Swansonick's worst movies he's ever made are you serious not one of his worst movies to stop but okay I think homologous I can let it go but elf of all movies okay don't like elf I I think it's okay I think it's okay I'm I'm not a I I'm I don't have a for or against it I'm gonna be honest it's just kind of like what the hell oh my god I love I literally watch elf every year if I can wow you literally just now I'm and I'm a big I'm a big Will Ferrell stand a hundred percent like I love most of his movies I love Will Farrell oh my god yeah no but you're reacting so just vehemently to me picking elf I just I don't know I just I didn't even think about elf like that's oh he's not even on my radar but okay alright give it to me sir why why is that your one favorite movie or your number one one and two like I said was easy for me alright um it's just peak Will Farrell just being fucking hilarious for 90 minutes or however yeah but this movie's about 90 minutes long and um it's it's it's very quotable you have you even have a a young Zoe D Chanel in there uh doing her thing um it's just that that uh John Favreau did this uh one of John Favreau's early movies as well it's just so damn funny Ed Asner is in here like it's just oh my gosh I don't understand how you are not finding this um to be worthy of my number one spot or being even you said it shouldn't even be on my list okay yeah because I feel like the uh I feel like okay I'm shooting it on because not because it's a bad movie it is not a bad movie but it's it's it's it's just like a it's more of a comedy than I mean and you even stretch it out you said you know he's hilarious which is great Wilfro will always be hilarious. I don't think I've ever seen him in a serious role which is fine but it feels like like it feels like a s like a SNL sketch comedy that they just made oh yes it does it feels like a SNL sketch comedy that he came up with one day and then they made it into a fucking movie and it's like alright fine it it doesn't like there's no like there's no emotional aspect to it and I think there's no emotional aspect I think Christmas movies have an emotional aspect there's no emotional aspect of it the whole thing is him like um of uh as a sort of a found father and like trying to like be accepted by his father and his father wanting nothing to do with him because he's too busy with his corporate stuff and his son's a big freaking weirdo dressed as an elf or whatever and he's trying to make that connection with him and he's not able to do so and then at work um there's that scene when Joyce Dishonel is in the bathroom and they start singing um oh but it's cold outside um um I really can't say what's that song called I hate that fucking rapey song I hate that fucking song hold on the song maybe it's cold outside maybe it's cold outside yeah super rapey a hundred percent yeah however though that was uh um one emotional moment um with him trying to connect to her or whatever because he's trying to connect to people and he's just seeing the joy and everything and he's being confronted with like that's not how people are like that's not we're not in a joyful society like shit is real people have jobs to go to like this shit isn't fun in games and he's trying to like he's like what no like it's Christmas time guys like we're all having a fun time and that's not the case and then like literally the end of the movie is about you talk about like belief in Santa like that's the whole thing to like power Santa slays like we need the whole everybody to start believing in him they have to hold hands and all that stuff there are emotional beats in this movie uh yes it's a comedy yes it's a silly ass movie yes it's gonna be okay but there are emotional beats in the movie maybe I'm looking at it differ maybe I'm looking at it differently like to me and this is my bias so ignore it if you want but the main character in the Christmas movie usually has that transformation but it doesn't like for Elf he's kind of silly optimistic kind and childlike in the beginning and he ends that way like there's no change to him everybody kind of changes around him which okay maybe that's the whole point but for me for a Christmas movie even on the sucky ones there's some kind of like transformation or some kind of understanding um of a difference and I don't know there's no difference there's no like okay so hold on so I hear what you're saying right but Buddy didn't need to change so the the the story then becomes not about Buddy changing but about Buddy staying his best self despite the rest of the world trying to bring him down.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah that's what I said maybe I need to think about it differently but to me I wouldn't have because nothing happens. Even the freaking sleigh thing you just said like it is it just kind of happens like quickly.
SPEAKER_03:It doesn't like there's no build up to like the powering of the sleigh it just kind of like alright and that's a central conflict there was no build up that that that is that is laid in the very beginning of the in the story talk about how the sleigh is being powered like they lay that breadcrumb very early in the movie before Riffel even leaves the North Pole.
SPEAKER_00:But it's not even being developed like it's something you say as a throwaway and then it's not seen again until the end.
SPEAKER_03:Because Santa is not prevalent in the movie until it's time for him to get there oh sucks. Your number one sucks let's just move on there you go guys this is our last episode ever friendship over all right fine so to recap Jay's list we have at number five Jingle all the way number four home alone three at number three Polar Express at number two The Year Without is Santa Claus and at number one the nightmare before Christmas my list at number five you have Dr. Seuss's How the Grinch Stole Christmas the 1966 version you have Klaus at number four number three is the Muppet Christmas Carol number two is Home Alone and number one is Elf boo okay alright alright well hey let's let's put it out there to the people and let them decide who had the better list. What about some honorable mentions before we sign off here uh I had almost Christmas on there. Okay. In that same Vin I had uh this Christmas on there.
SPEAKER_00:This Christmas is a good one too um I had the Santa Claus with Tim Allen.
SPEAKER_03:I mean they kind of murdered Santa Claus which is kind of wild but okay they did it starts off with a murder it does start off with a murder like hey guys like oh shit immediate death oh okay you have those other uh claymation like your Frosty and the um Rudolph Rudolph ones you know those are also from that fifties sixties era yeah yeah that was worth still worth mentioning but they Probably of the worst out of the I think you picked the best out of those that bunch with the year without a Santa Claus. I think those are all the ones I see received. Oh, wait, hold on. Timeout. We didn't talk about Die Hard. I thought Die Hard would make you list.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:No, I didn't.
SPEAKER_03:No, you don't like Die Hard, or you don't think it's a Christmas movie? Oh no, no, I like it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh no. So I just left it alone. Oh, I also had um I don't know if you've ever seen this movie, but it's called A Long Kiss Good Night. Have you seen that?
SPEAKER_03:I've heard of it. I've never seen it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Well, A Long Kiss Good Night almost has zero to do with Christmas, except for it is gone during Christmas. And I was gonna put that my number three, but I was like, I don't feel like defending this shit to you, so I was like, fuck it. I'll just go with classical Christmas, but it's on there.
SPEAKER_03:No Charlie Brown. We didn't pick it up. When is it Charlie Brown?
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. Oh, not even honorable mention. No, that's that's we gotta throw that on the list. It's it's there for sure. For sure. Oh, I forgot about Charlie Brown. Yeah. That's definitely a classic for sure. I feel bad now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that was kind of rude to Charlie Brown.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. To put fucking Home Alone 3 over Charlie Brown as well. I should be shot at that point. My bad. Sorry, folks.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad.
SPEAKER_00:I'll eat that. That was pretty bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, well, that'll do it for our special Christmas episode. We hope that everyone enjoyed it. Just want to wish uh Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy Kwanzaa, happy Hanukkah. Am I missing something?
SPEAKER_00:Uh, you know. I almost said something so someone who doesn't celebrate anything?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, happy uh happy time off, you know?
SPEAKER_03:That's what I was gonna say. There we go. All right, I think we covered everyone. Yeah, I think so. Does that work?
SPEAKER_00:I feel good about it. Alright, folks. Just remember, Christmas isn't just joy, it's stress, it's reflection, and it's unfinished business coming through at the end of the year. Take care.
SPEAKER_03:See y'all next time.
SPEAKER_00:We're out of the way.
SPEAKER_03:Well, folks, uh cool. So that was our first uh top five list podcasts. I think it went well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh we got a little heated there and there, but that's the point.
SPEAKER_00:Fucking L. Oh my god. Wow, okay, got that okay.