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How Scream Revived The Slasher And Birthed A Meta Horror Era: Scream (1996)
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What happens when a slasher knows you know the rules? We dive back into Scream (1996) and unpack why that opening phone call still rattles the nerves, how the film smuggles a satire inside a straight-up thriller, and where its physics-defying moments make us laugh out loud. We map the 90s-tastic cast—Neve Campbell’s steady center, Courtney Cox’s razor-edged Gale, David Arquette’s guileless Dewey, and Matthew Lillard’s chaotic Stu—and ask why Billy Loomis reads “killer” from his first greasy window entrance. Along the way, we revisit the film’s biggest swing: two killers. It’s a twist that scrambles alibis, doubles the dread, and humanizes Ghostface with pratfalls and door-to-the-face slapstick that make the mask feel real.
We also follow the money and the myth. A December counter-programming gamble turned a small budget into a box-office phenomenon and a long-running franchise. We run a live trivia gauntlet on top-grossing horror series and place Scream among the giants—Halloween, Friday the 13th, and A Nightmare on Elm Street—while tracking how its meta DNA birthed Scary Movie and a generation of self-aware scares. Then we push past nostalgia and interrogate motive: was Billy wounded or always wired wrong? Is Stu just along for the ride till reality bites? And does Sidney still count as a “final girl” when she breaks the purity rule and flips predator at the end?
Our scores land where the movie earns them: high marks for structure and cultural impact, solid craft and sound, modest acting and dialogue. But numbers aside, the reason Scream lasts is simple—it lets you be in on the joke without deflating the fear. Press play for sharp takes, shameless nitpicks, and a spirited case for why Ghostface might be a wizard when the plot needs him to be. If you’re into clever horror, 90s film lore, or arguments about what makes a killer tick, you’ll feel right at home. If you enjoyed this breakdown, follow, share with a horror-loving friend, and drop your top three slasher rankings in a review.
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Why Scream Still Matters
SPEAKER_00Hello and welcome to the Real Talk Adventure Podcast, the movie podcast where we discuss and review films that are at least a decade old. I'm Amari Williams, and I'm Jay Richardson. And today we are discussing the original 1996 Scream. Why we do why do we do Scream?
SPEAKER_03Why did we do Scream? That is a great question. I think we gotta start it out with just that beginning opening scream. What's your favorite scary movie?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Where does where does Scream rank for you then?
SPEAKER_03Scream is up there. Scream is one of my favorites. I think that it really uh comes to life just for the fact that it revitalized the slasher um film. And I mean, that's why we're talking about it now. So yeah, let's just let's just get into it. So let's talk some some some facts about this movie here, right? So uh it's pretty loaded cast, actually. A lot of very popular 90s slash early 2000s uh votes. Um of course it was in 1996, but you know, these people went on to continue to have you know a decent enough uh career after this. So we got Sidney Prescott as uh, or we have Neve Campbell as Sidney Prescott, uh Steve Ulrich as Billy Loomis, you have Matthew Lillard, you know another one? 13 Ghosts. I really like 13 Ghosts, and Matthew Lillard is in that as well. Um I should have asked you that question. Dang, I messed up.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, Halloween though. Halloween actually, I feel bad for not saying Halloween because I really like that franchise.
SPEAKER_03Halloween is good. I mean, yeah. Michael Myers is good, you know, Nightmare in L Street is good.
SPEAKER_00He might be the goat. He might be the goat, uh Michael Myers.
SPEAKER_03Michael Myers? Michael Myers, yeah, uh, yeah. Michael Myers, I still don't understand how he's alive at any point.
SPEAKER_00No, it's it's it's magic. Uh magic. Yeah, witchcraft, yeah. I think there's witchcraft in this. Well, I thought there was witchcraft in this too, but I'll save that tape
The Barrymore Opener And “Magic” Logic
SPEAKER_00for later.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that. And I I think I have the same similar notes to you of like where the hell you come from. But okay. Uh we have uh Dewey as uh David Arquette's Dewey. Um we have Jamie Kennedy, shout out Jamie Kennedy as Randy, and then we have Drew Barrymore as Casey, uh, and then Rose McGowan as uh Tatum. So why I kind of pause on Drew Barrymore is because Drew Barrymore is like front row on the actual poster. Kind of makes you look like, you know, yeah, she's advertised, she's like, you know, I'm gonna maybe she's the main person, but no, she's she murdered in the first 10, 12 minutes, yeah. Yeah, she 12 minutes in. I mean, you know, after a very playful uh what's your favorite scary movie? She was she was uh hanging from a tree. I don't again I don't know how she got up there that fast, but hey, she was up there.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. I I was convinced. Um so I'll tell I'll just tell you my take from now. I'm convinced that the Scream universe exists in the world of Harry Potter. And hold hold on, hear me out now, okay? The world of witchcraft and wizardry, all right? It is in the same universe, and uh Ghostface is a dark wizard, okay? Um and he has an invisibility cloak, the ability to operate, and he knows the spell Alohamora because which that spell unlocks things because I don't understand how Homegirl tried that door two, three times, and then after she's murdered, he just walks right through the door that was locked. I'm just saying, that's I'm just saying the only thing that explains it is magic. So we got some dark wizards out here. That's what's happening.
How Scream Reinvented Horror
SPEAKER_03It makes sense. I I could actually buy that because yeah, throughout the movie I'm like, I mean, at the end you obviously get the review that there's two killers. Okay, cool. But even so, like, nah, it still didn't make sense. But either way, we'll we'll we'll buy it. We'll we'll be in this world in which Harry Potter actually also exists, and we'll buy it for now. So, as I said, so uh Scream kind of reinvented the slasher on uh genre in the 90s, it was kind of dying at that point, and uh Kevin Williamson actually wrote Scream, and oh, this is one of my trivia for you. Okay, you m you may know this, I don't know, but we'll see. So, Kevin Williamson, he's a writer, screenwriter, producer, uh director. He's been around for a while. We had a recent actor who unfortunately passed away. What other teen drama did Kevin Williamson write in 1998?
SPEAKER_00In 1998? Wait, what is that what does this have to do with the person that passed away? Were they in that movie?
SPEAKER_03Yes, yes. They are they were one of uh well yes, and it's a series, a TV series. I'll give you that hint. It's a TV series, they were one of the uh main actors in the in the TV series, and he was the writer for it. It's a teen drama, 1998. What do you think?
SPEAKER_00Teen drama. And someone passed away that was in it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, very recently he he passed away, yes. Like within the last like four days, I believe.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. Four days? Yeah. Oh.
SPEAKER_03Um I'm giving you a hell of a lot of hints here.
SPEAKER_00You are what?
SPEAKER_03Uh who passed? That's okay. I didn't think you'd get it. That's okay. That's okay. Uh so it was actually uh we just lost James Vanderbeek, right? And that's Dawson's Creek. Dawson's Creek. Dawson's Creek. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_00Kevin Williamson was the I knew that one. I knew that one. I should have.
SPEAKER_03I think it I I felt like I gave you the answer there. I I didn't know you what you I thought you were just gonna swing and get it, but you didn't.
SPEAKER_00I forgot Vanderbeek passed away. And I knew he passed away recently. And I think I did see um Dawson Creek on on his resume and Williamson's resume. I yeah, I blew that completely. Dang, he froze. He froze a good one. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right, yes, uh, Ken Williamson was the writer-creator of Dawson's Creek, so you know. Shout out. So, yeah, so he's pretty big in pop culture and the teen drama realm, so you know. But in this, which he writes, and Wes Craven is the director, we kind of have like kind of that's my boy, you know it, you know it. We kind of have that uh initial, that balance of like humor and real suspense where you're like, is this a camp comedy? Is this uh is this real? And then as I was watching it, it really made me it made it so easy for like a parody such as like scary movie to pick it up because it was almost there anyway. So scary movie just kind of took it over.
SPEAKER_00It's like it was begging for a parody.
SPEAKER_03It was begging for a parody.
SPEAKER_00So I guess this movie's supposed to be satirical, right? So because they made this with I mean well, so that's what I saw in my research that they they made it to make um with intent of this being a horror satire to kind of make some of the tropes of
Franchise Rankings Trivia Showdown
SPEAKER_00other popular franchises, you know, which what helped to revitalize the dying franchise. So and then you have scary movie just leaning all the way in and just doing blown. Yeah, but yeah, it was right there. It was right there. I mean, the amount of time did you know this movie, um, the original title for this movie was Scary Movie.
SPEAKER_03I did know that, I did see that. Like I said, it was right there. They just was like, I'll do it then.
SPEAKER_00I'm glad they changed it because they said the they said the words scary movie. I don't even know how much time I should have counted. They said it so much time, and it was Especially Jamie Kennedy's character, Randy. Yeah, because it's glaring because you're like you're seeing the movie scary movie, like you're you know, while you're watching this.
SPEAKER_03I I I'm I dead ass was. I was absolutely like seeing uh freaking Anna Ferris as she ran away, like when uh Neve Campbell was running away too. I was like, they literally took scene from scene. I don't know how they didn't get sued, I'm gonna be honest.
SPEAKER_00I know, because even even that opening scene with Drew Barrymore, you know, and he's like Yeah, Karma Electra, yeah. Like it was like, oh gosh, I had a hard time remembering if I'd seen Scream or not, or if you had just seen Scary Movie, yeah, yeah, yeah. So by the time I got to it, was one of the scenes with Courtney Cox and David R. Kette um with the deputy. That's what reminded me. Okay, no, no. I've actually I have seen this, it's just been a very long time, but I could not tell, I couldn't separate the two for a long time. So yeah.
Box Office Success and Horror Franchise Rankings
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's I I was right there with you. Uh so uh so the budget was actually about $15 million for this, and it made a worldwide box office uh amount of $173 million. So why we overperform what they thought definitely helped to push the genre of like, oh, people do want to see this, like this is something new.
SPEAKER_00Oh and they dropped it in December.
SPEAKER_03They did, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, which was they thought like that was gonna screw. Well, I don't know. The the studio execs say that, oh, they because they they call it counter um programming. There was like, oh no, no, no, no. Right, instead of doing like a Christmas strategy. Strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the actors are like, nah, you're you're fucking tanking our movie right now. Um, but I guess the word of mouth was really good on 173 million for a horror movie in 1996. That is a lot of money.
SPEAKER_03No, they did it. Because it was pick poking fun, kind of as as things were happening, like in the real movie, they were also watching other movies and talking, pointing it out like, ah, don't uh don't have sex, you gotta be a virgin, don't do drugs, and then they're also doing it and then being slowly murdered. So it was very nice. Alright. We already kind of started talking about it. Drew Barrymore's opening.
SPEAKER_00Wait, one second. Oh. I have some trivia for you. I was waiting to see if you were gonna do it. Oh, okay. So I do have some trivia for you. Yeah. Okay. So um Scream, as we all know, or most people will know, is has become a huge um horror film franchise with their seventh movie just coming out last week, right? So um, not counting whatever money that movie has made right now. Yeah, because yeah. Um right now, Scream is fourth all time in American horror franchises. Did you know this? Do you know this?
SPEAKER_03No, I didn't know how high they were. I figured they'd be pretty high, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Because you have like all time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So I'm sure like Halloween and Friday the 13th are like on top and stuff. Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Give give me one through seven.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I kinda already started. Hopefully I'm right. Halloween.
SPEAKER_00Correct, number one. Friday 13th. Number two.
SPEAKER_03Um god, uh Halloween Friday 13.
SPEAKER_00Um It's one you mentioned when we were talking about movies earlier. Yeah, franchise.
SPEAKER_03Oh, um Nightmare Before Elm Street, sorry.
SPEAKER_00Night Nightmare on Elm Street, yeah, that's number three. You're going in order, yep. So Scream is four.
SPEAKER_03Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
SPEAKER_00That one is six.
SPEAKER_03Okay. I gotta think about like who got a ton.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. No. No, okay. Exorcist movies, those are movies are tough to watch, like to have that big of a following, you know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's true. But I got like 20 of them, I swear. That's what I just like. I just swung court. I swung court. They got a bunch of them.
SPEAKER_00Um who else one franchise kind of this started when we were in high school. So it's a newer franchise compared to the ones we've listed already. Um, and it has several movies. I think it has it might have like 10 movies. It has 11 movies.
SPEAKER_03Let me have it. What is it? What's the five and seven? Some number five. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Oh, I knew that.
SPEAKER_00Number seven. This one is a 90s franchise. Uh Chucky? Chucky. There you go. Okay, there we go. Child's play.
SPEAKER_03Child's play, sorry. Black people always say Chucky. I know Chuck play.
SPEAKER_01And I I said yes, or I read it child's play. So child's play. Sorry, child's play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00The Halloween franchise has made over a billion dollars. Wow. It's nuts. Yeah. And then Friday the 13th is close.
SPEAKER_03So Halloween's been night since the night since the 70s. So I I believe it.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Yeah. Okay. I thought I was pretty interesting when they get that in the pod.
SPEAKER_03Kicking myself because I missed a saw, but that's okay. I I got I got six out of seven. I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_00You did. And you you were going in order too, so you did pretty good. This is your best trivia yet.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, usually I'm just like, ah. You're like, yeah, what time is it? I'm like, uh, I'm not actually sure what time it is right now.
SPEAKER_00Um, red?
Breaking Down the Opening Kill Scene
SPEAKER_03Blue? No, that's not an option. Ugh, I tried. Alright, so let's talk about that opening. So we have Drew Barrymore who gets the famous line. What's your favorite scary movie? Um So my question to you. No. So we we have that line, you know, there's kind of that playful little back and forth. How much talking were you actually gonna be doing if you got this random call from a person who's just asking you random questions?
SPEAKER_00Well, so if it's a some weird random dude, I'm not talking, you know. But I guess because this did it where it's a male and he was trying to sound like mysterious and seductive or salty. Ah.
SPEAKER_03So her horniness did her in. Okay, I gotcha.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's that's that's pretty much what it was, you know, if we're honest about it. So given those parameters and was she supposed to be like a teenager or something, yeah, I'd rather be on the phone. I'd be oh shit, girl, what's up with you? Yeah, no, it's uh shit. Uh scary movies, and we could talk about that, you know. So I probably would engage in a phone like a fool. Um I have a no hair.
SPEAKER_03I have a no hair. Ghost stage would have been smad at me because I was not answering the phone. So I don't know how he's gonna get to me. He'd have been bad, I guess. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00She did hang up the phone a bunch of times. It was kind of funny. She's like, ah, sorry, bye, click. And um, you know, when when he threatened her and she's oh my gosh, I guess I'll stay on the phone. I'm like, nah. Just hang up and call 911 right away, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't know what that was.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know what that was. I don't know. Like, it was funny when the when um Ghostface knocked on the door and she said who's there. I'm like, it's the fucking murderer. What do you mean who's there?
SPEAKER_03He even commented on it. He he literally commented on it. He's like, that's just as bad as you just going outside to check out a noise. Like, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_04I was like, she explained.
SPEAKER_01Who was there?
SPEAKER_00Because that doesn't make any fucking sense. So that was crazy. Um, and then she tried to go outside to save Steve. Were you okay? So um your high school sweetheart is tied up outside. Um, I'm not going outside. You don't even have to finish the question. Yeah, no, no, no. They're done. They're done. They're done. I was like, man, fuck Steve. Like, you can't, you can't do that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, even he was like, Why are you going outside? She tried to open a door. He's like, if you go outside, I'll kill you too. And she slammed it back. She's like, oh yeah. Like, oh yeah, I forgot about that. You're sitting out there.
SPEAKER_00She was not very smart. Um, um, yeah, there's no way I was going out there. Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I had an I had another question for you. So So I'm out there, right? Your BFF is tied to a chair. You know, he he gave her a chance, right, by playing a game of uh scary movie and some trivia. So my question to you is what game could you play to save my life? Oh boy.
SPEAKER_00That's a good that's a good question. Um I was I would be able to save your life with some um Game of Thrones trivia for sure.
SPEAKER_03Oh Jesus Christ. They might not ask me that.
SPEAKER_00You said what?
SPEAKER_03No, they better not ask me that. Yeah, no, no, no. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00You know, if if they ask me the name of the dragon, you know, that Aegon was riding on, you know, I I got I'm in my bag, you know. So I can do some some um the answer's belarian to dread. Um I can do some Game of Thrones trivia for you to save your life. So Harry Potter and Star Wars for sure. I feel pretty comfortable. Well, it's weird, man. I so you know, I was on the cruise, family cruise two years ago, right? And there was a Harry Potter trivia night. And I was like, oh yeah, fuck yeah, that's my shit. So I go to the trivia night, and they were asking questions like how many stairs are in the castle. I was like, are you guys serious right now? Like, I I don't know. So maybe not Harry Potter. That would be yeah, that that I would I'll be like way overconfident, and then then I'll get mad at him for asking me the wrong questions. Because like I know I know these answers. You know what I'm saying? So that wouldn't go well.
SPEAKER_03If I had to like pick, I would have to say uh probably charmed. Charmed is one.
SPEAKER_00I could I could I could pretty much girl would love to hear that.
SPEAKER_03I know, I know. I hope I hope he watches this one. I actually I'm I'm a pretty big child's play fan, even though I said Chucky, but I'm a pretty big child's play fan, so like questions about that?
SPEAKER_00You've seen all of them?
SPEAKER_03I've seen all of them. In fact, I just recently rewatched all of them again, like last week.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, okay, alright. That's on brand too, so that's perfect.
SPEAKER_03There, there you go. There you go.
SPEAKER_00So with Charmed, did you watch the remake? The Charm remake? No, no, I couldn't. No, I couldn't. You didn't even try it? Did you try it?
SPEAKER_03No, I didn't even try it. I did not even try it. I was like, I can't do that. I can't do that to my originals. You know how it is.
SPEAKER_00I I did try it, um, but I never finished it. And I don't think they finished either. I'm pretty sure it got cancelled, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it got canceled after like two seasons, I think.
SPEAKER_00I was like two or three out, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was like, uh, they tried.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03Alright. At least at least we have something that we'll save each other.
SPEAKER_00Like exactly.
SPEAKER_03Um, you know, they come out with some wild shit. I'd be like, ugh, I'm so sorry, man.
SPEAKER_00You just you gotta let him go. Listen, so even so even after say she kind of that one question, the question she messed up was who was the killer in in Friday the 13th. Yeah. Is it really Mrs. Voorhees? Is it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she's she was the first, yes. Because she was mad because they they let her the the son drown the camp. Yeah, the camp uh counselors let him drown because they were too busy having sex and all that stuff. So that's why that's why she was original, and then after that he mysteriously came back to life and then started killing everybody.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so okay, so this is a technicality. He's talking about in the flashback, like not actually because the first movie was about him, not his mother.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it's him. Um sorry, it's his mother. Everybody thinks it's Jason, but it's his mother.
SPEAKER_00Oh, damn. All right, okay. I need to rewatch uh Friday the 13th. Damn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the first the first move the first movie is just how she is just how he worded it because Friday the 13th is like repeated all over the place. Um it's how he worded it. It's you know, Jason could have been the right answer and should have been the right answer, but it's technically his mother was first, the first killer. Wow.
SPEAKER_00Well, I don't know. I understand how after she got that wrong, and then he like she turned on the light, and Steve was disemboweled. I'm like, that's when I was like, Does he have an invisibility cloak? Because how did you disembow him and disappear into the night? So that was my first clue.
SPEAKER_03I was like, did he have a sword? Because like, how should you know how hard it is to well, I hope you don't, but how hard it is to cut through skin and bone of a person? Like, yeah, trying to imagine like deboning a chicken. Like, I mean, that's not something you just like calmly just and you know, guts fall out. Like, that's not how it works.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it'll fell out.
SPEAKER_03And it like it just held in place and just in time for the lights to turn on for it to just start slowly falling out. I was like, I don't think that's how that works. I didn't I don't know. That's that's where it starts to get a little like, alright, but sure, whatever. So open the seed, you know, we're getting a taste. We we know what's happening, we know it's gonna be gory, we know it's gonna be bloody, and we know we're gonna have a bunch of hot teenagerslash 30-year-olds, playing teenagers, being murdered. Uh so Drew Barrymore does a lot of things that she should not have done, but you know, this is the first. So she didn't know the rules. She didn't understand the rules. Somehow she gets outside. Not somehow, she gets outside because she's running away. Um, she gets stabbed and then like choked for like half a second, and I guess in that choke, she lost her voice so she couldn't call for help to her parents who were like right.
SPEAKER_00Why did she just I would have thrown the phone onto the phone?
SPEAKER_03I don't know what she was doing with that. She held onto that phone like it was a lifesaver. Like she would not let it go.
SPEAKER_00I thought she was dumb for keeping the phone because if the killer wanted to fight her location, he could have called the phone and it would have rang. So that was a first mistake. But if she held onto it, so now like like you said, she her voice escaped, so she can't call for help. I would look just throw it, and the noise would have attracted her parents' attention.
SPEAKER_03I mean, they were right there, they were ten feet away, if that.
SPEAKER_00With no peripheral vision, apparently. Damn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was like, you don't see like movement? Like even like even if like even with like I walk my dogs like all throughout the night, and just any little movement or difference in sound, I I'm looking around because I'm like, what is happening?
SPEAKER_00Better than a swivel, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like what is happening, who is coming, or what is coming that is making the nature change. Like, something is happening. Like, pay attention.
SPEAKER_01You're out there, you're out there like, is that you ghost face?
SPEAKER_03I see you. I see you. He'd be like, No.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. So yeah. So yeah, so uh so this is the first kill, so we're probably gonna go a little bit deep on it, but after that, you know, we could we could it just kind of rinse repeat. But uh so yeah, so she uh so the parents, you know, walk into the house. The house is smoky because she was making popcorn, you know, she was gonna go watch the scary movie. Yeah. So the the popcorn, the the old school make the popcorn on the stove thing started, you know, caught on fire. The tin foil caught on fire. Uh house is smoky, they're like, oh my god, where's my daughter? Rightfully so. They're kind of walking around. Mom finally picks up the phone and hears her daughter's like essentially last couple breaths, and you know, her being dragged or something.
SPEAKER_00No, being fucking drive, housted into a tree, and disemboweled in like 10 seconds.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, no. So I have that I have that timing in mind. I literally timed it because I was like, this is wild. I did time it. It was literally like 10 seconds because like they heard her dragging, they heard her dragging, and you could see on the other side that she was being dragged, and then the line went dead. And then the that's why the father told the mother, hey, go to the neighbor's house to go call them, which the neighbor was like 10 miles away because that was a long driveway. How was she gonna make it over there? But okay. Or maybe I guess she would jump in the car, but whatever. So, so so yeah, so when she opens the door, which is from the time the line went dead, to the door opening was like 10 seconds. Right. She looks out, screams, and there you see uh two Barrymore's character hanging from a tree. Hanging. Yeah. I'm like, I in my mind, I was like, these guys are like excellent at physics because like how do you get it up there so fast? Get up, get her up there, tie her up, you have to tie off the tie off the rope to the tree, and then disappear all within this 10 seconds.
SPEAKER_00And this space this is not they're not like this isn't one of those homes that are surrounded by like tree line and woods.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's just one single tree.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so there's like nowhere to hide unless Well they're just laying on the grass, like unless you have an invisibility cloak or you can operate, all right, which is teleporting.
SPEAKER_03That's why, that's why your your argument is getting stronger and stronger. So we start in with the introduction of the different characters. Um we have oh character elaborate.
SPEAKER_00I hated so so we I guess we can call the that first 12 minutes uh the prologue to the movie, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00This first act, oh my god. I like I have a note here, and I'm like, this movie's pushed in two hours so we can watch Homegirl watch TV and watch the fucking sunset. I was so annoyed, like it was so slow and boring. I'm like, can we get back to the slashing and stuff? I just I don't know. And like all these characters are unlikable. Uh I don't know. I don't know. Not all of them. Not all of them. No, no, all of them.
SPEAKER_03No, all of them. I mean, yeah, she's she's alright. And I like Randy too. I like Randy. Randy's cool.
SPEAKER_00I don't like Randy, he's annoying as hell.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was he was about his slasher films, but you know, he he gave he served a purpose.
Character Rundown: Sidney, Gale, Dewey, Stu, and Billy
SPEAKER_00My thing, okay, so this is this is my rundown on the cast really quick, right? Uh Sydney is just boring, but she's the main character. Um Gail Weathers, who's Courtney Cox's character, is a bitch, which that they intentionally made her that way. That was a point of the character. Uh Dewey's a dum-dum. Stu, which is Matthew Leo's character, is a different type of dum-dum. Uh Titum, um uh Sidney's best friend, I she just I don't even know how to describe her. I didn't care, I didn't care for her.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. She's just there.
SPEAKER_00It's kind of vapid. And then Billy, um, Billy Billy Loomis. I'm like, dude, this movie really wants us to think he's a fucking killer. Because, like, even if he wasn't, if he wasn't a killer, right? I'm like, dude, stop lurking. Like, stop like he's like slouching and like glaring. He's like, uh. I'm like, dude, you know you're giving off killer vibes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I have I have one note for Billy, greasy. I was like, how you how was she even interested in this man? Like, he was just greasy. I was sneaking through a window and greasy. I'm like, get out of here.
SPEAKER_00He's so suspicious. Like, I just, yeah, so, but anyway, you you could I don't know. That's my sub some summation of the cast. And then it said Randy was annoying, so yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, except for Randy, I agree. I agree. There was there was really no no real death here in the characters, uh, except for they were being murdered one by one. So at this point, we have a couple people. Um, we have the we have uh Drew Barrymore and her boyfriend's character who have been murdered. Um they get to school, there's a bunch of news, news, uh, um uh news uh dang it. Reporters, newscasters, reporters there, um news channels there and everything. They're re there this is obviously like a hot take. And it's a hot take because one almost to the day, one year ago, uh Neve Campbell, Sidney's character's mother, was also brutally murdered and raped. Which I wonder what that means. Did you like my that's my yeah, yes, that was like villain.
SPEAKER_00That was very good.
SPEAKER_03She didn't like that. Yes. That's fair. Anyway, uh, so we do, like you said, we meet uh Gail, who is the resident pitch. And Gail is opportunistic. She's a news newscaster or news reporter who was the one who actually reported on the murder of uh Sidney's care uh Sydney's mother. Um and Sydney takes it out on her. She sees her, she asks a couple questions, Gail kind of got smart back, and uh yeah, Sydney gave her a nice little right hook to the face, and uh she did some casual assaults.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh damn, okay.
SPEAKER_03She accuses, and it turns out that she's actually right, she accuses Sidney's character of uh misremembering or or um accusing the wrong man for killing her mother. Um and actually it turns out to be true. That's it does turn out to be true.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. How did you feel about that, really? I mean, I honestly didn't really care. No, I know. Um they were trying to make me care about this um her mom's death, you know, and I'm like, she's already dead, man. Let's let's deal with what's going on right now.
SPEAKER_03Damn, you just as bad as Billy. Like when they were I brought that note here. When they were arguing in the in the hallway, Billy was like, bro, it's been a year. Get over it. My mom left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your mom just left. She's not dead. That's not the same thing.
SPEAKER_00That's not the same thing. Your mother's a shitty human being. That's not the same thing. Your mom's love you, okay?
SPEAKER_03So she's like, damn, I wish I never had you. My mother was murdered. Like, that's a different story. Man's just mad. Man is amazing. You haven't been the same since a year ago. You mean when her mother was murdered? Not die.
SPEAKER_00Murdered. You're right. You're right. Like, that'll change a person. That'll change a person.
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah, it's been a year. What are you doing? Get over it. Jesus Christ. We still talking about this again? Like, uh.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh. Here we go.
SPEAKER_03Touch me, man. Touch me. That's what I need. Hey, listen. So I want to talk a little bit more about Big Lee eventually reveals that, especially towards the end of the movie, um, that he did it because Sydney's mother was sleeping with his father. And that is why his mother left him. Um so there's this kind of like this kind of online part. I was just kind of going through the rabbit hole of they were just, you know, they were just trying to protect the dude. And you know, boys being boys, which is kind of like bullshit, right? He was they were saying he was hurt, he was traumatized, his mom has left, his dad cheated, and city's mom.
SPEAKER_00These are what a comments are saying, commenters are saying on online?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Interesting. Okay, uh-huh. I'm following.
Was Billy Traumatized or Just a Psycho?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. This is this is some of the comments that were online. Obviously, there was the opposite as well, but I just wanted to talk about it and see how you felt about it. So it's in his mom left, his dad cheated. You know, City mom was the cause of it. So that's what kind of pushed him over the edge to become this uh this serial killer, essentially. What what what are your thoughts on that? Oh, you laugh. Okay.
SPEAKER_01No, that that is so absurd.
SPEAKER_00Like, I mean, nah, man, like kid, you were always a psychopath. That's that he was always a fucking psycho. There's no way that level of trauma. I'm gonna I I will respect his pain and call it trauma. That level of trauma is not significant enough for you to all of a sudden be like, you know what? I've never ever thought about killing or murdering every anyone, but I'm about to get super good at it. That's not how the hell that works. That kid was uh troubled. I promise you he was troubled. I promise you he was other torturing fucking animals, or or his parents were already watching him side with that's why mom's left without him. Because he's fucked. I mean, let's be real. Like the because in that situation, the mother would have taken a child and said, you know what, I'm taking my son and we're we're out of here. She saw that as an opportunity to escape. She's like, you know what? My husband ain't shit. Yeah, he's stepping out. My son creeps me the fuck out. This is my I'm leaving. I promise you. I promise you. I have no sympathy or or pity or anything for Billy. Billy's a goddamn psycho and he needed to go. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03Alright. You you heard it, you heard it first. Amari, Amari thinks Billy was a psycho and he deserved it. Okay. Yeah. I I well, well, okay. Well, with with that point, I'll move on to my next one because I I agree. This this is not just like a crime of passion. Like, if he had just found out and then like went on a murder spree, I'd be like, alright, you know, fine. You know, they're supposed to be teenagers, brain isn't fully uh developed yet, whatever. But no, this is something he he rehearsed, he planned, he had alibis, he recruited a friend. He recruited a friend to like play this Am I Here, Am I There thing. Um, you know, he frame he tried to frame his Sydney's dad uh stabbing himself, which again, I don't know what their end game was with this ending scene here. Um we can go a little bit more into it, but yeah, okay, yeah, we talked about it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we can go a little bit more into it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um so what about so Sydney's boring as hell. Okay. But did she deserve to be like the it girl, the final girl? What do you think about that?
SPEAKER_00Interesting question. Wow. I did not know you were coming with these heavy questions for this movie. Oh, uh sorry. I thought we were just gonna laugh and talk shit about it, but no, um, no, no, no, this is cool too. We can do this. So did she go to being you're excited? You're like, yeah, I want to do this. Um, I mean, what what when you say deserve, what does that mean? So I guess by by um horror movies, slasher tropes, yeah. She was the innocent girl, the quiet girl. Um isn't that usually what it is? The one that's not because it's usually the flasher ones, the ones who are more sexually provocative and all that, those are the ones that usually you know are murdered. So, I mean, she fits it. Although they want to sit there subverting it, because with how it ended, which with how the movie ended, right? Um, they I guess they try to subvert things because once she did have sex, so she's no longer a part of it.
SPEAKER_03Exactly.
SPEAKER_00And and then she turns around and um because usually the girl that fits in that mold that you're asking me about um is saved. Someone has to save them, right? Or she escapes and then she's you know, the the bad guy gets away and she's just like in the arms of somebody that you know came to her rescue at Alastica. That's not what really happened. Like she kinda was able to turn the tables on them. I would say she got a little too into it because he was enjoying it.
SPEAKER_01When she called a fucking house, right? I said, okay, I get it. I get it. You know, a little bit of penny. Yeah, how do you how do you think how do it feel for you? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe, when this bitch come outside wearing the fucking mask. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I don't know where she get it from. Like she just frowned it and said, I'ma put this on. Like, what if the cops are rolled up and saw her and started firing?
unknownI'm gonna kill her mask.
SPEAKER_03I don't know why she did that. That was weird.
SPEAKER_00She she got way too into this whole like revenge, it was too much because that's like in court when it's like, hey man, I'm defending myself. But then like after like the fucking third time or 17th time, you stab them or punch them. It's like, nah, man, this is gratuitous now. You're not defending yourself. Why did you dress up? That was so crazy. And then for me, the cherry on top, not only did she have time to to oh my god, I wrote this shit down because this blew my goddamn mind. I said she had time to play dress up and prank call these guys, but she didn't have time to untie her father.
SPEAKER_03Like, what the fuck?
unknownLike my guy.
SPEAKER_03Man's at the bush through the door like the Kool-Aid, man.
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_03She almost got shot. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Oh gosh. So, um, yeah, so the movie, so in traditional terms, yes, she fits the mold and everything. Um, but then it is subverted at the end. It went up.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, at the end, she at the end she missed, she lost it. At the end, technically, she should not have been saved. She should have lost her life, technically, but she she she made it. Yeah, she did. She made it. Alright, I like it.
SPEAKER_00I'm just I'm just wondering now that she has a taste for fucking blood, like what's gonna happen. Because I don't know, man. I don't know how you come back from putting that mask on. Like, because think about the psychology of this, right? You're being tormented for days by somebody wearing this mask and this hood and stuff. And then not only are you able to apprehend your your captures, you're also able to don their persona and use it to punish them. I can see a scream two in which she's just fucking and I I haven't seen scream two, so if this is a plot, okay. I I understand why. But I can see where she's just charged up. She can't like she has dreams about it, and at first she's like, oh my gosh, I can't be like, I I killed that guy, and I like no no no, that's not what I'm at first. She feels she thought she was feeling shame, but that's not it. What she's feeling is the right, yeah. She wants it. You know what I'm saying? And if she dons the mask and then she goes on her own fucking spree of justice, of misguided justice. Man, listen, hey man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, that that is a great plot. That's not what happens, but that is a great plot for screen two.
SPEAKER_00Hey man, Williamson, it's out there. I just gave that to you, you know. Um, we can talk. Um, I don't want like you can fresh it out. I just want a little cut and we we can figure something out.
SPEAKER_03A little a little five percent, you know. Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it.
SPEAKER_00And royalties for life. Royalties for life.
SPEAKER_03Royalties for life is how you make it. There you go. Go the um Simba way. I forgot his name. Um, but either way, yes, I agree. I agree, I agree. You you're doing a great job. I'm so so I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you today. I'm so proud of you. But I know scary movies aren't your thing, so I'm so proud of you. Either way, you you came to play and I like it. So yes. Come on now. Sydney technically did not deserve to live. She should have died per the rules that were established within scary. I'm sorry, almost call it scary movie. Within Scream.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03She should have died.
SPEAKER_00And every movie of the movie up to that point. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03She should have she should have made it. But you know, hey, that's the whole point. That's why it was revived. That's why it was like it's it was fresh, it was new. And I did, I mean, I did like that at the end, it wasn't a man that that saved her. It was, you know, a woman with Gale first shooting, and then you know, and then once he does his like final jump scare, you know, Sidney puts one in his temple or one in his forehead, like immediately. I was like, oh, are you a sharp shooter? I probably would have missed, I'm gonna be honest. Like somebody's flying up at you, and I'm getting on target firing.
SPEAKER_00Dead in the center? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, like nah. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_03I'll shoot like two or three. I'm not gonna stop. I'll shoot two or three times, but I'm probably not gonna hit dead center in the middle. Like, nah.
SPEAKER_00Listen, what this was, this was uh an origin story for Sydney. That's what this is. It probably is. It probably is.
SPEAKER_03She probably went on to become a serial killer on her own and just everyone just kind of left her alone because they're like, well, your mom's already dead, so.
SPEAKER_00Best case scenario, she becomes a masked vigilante that just goes too far. You know what I'm saying? Okay, but that's her best case scenario, okay? But she's a criminal now, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. Alright. I think we talked. I mean, I think we talked enough about about Ghostface. I mean it it was just if you go back to Ghostface as a character, it was just un like you said, it was just unbelievable. Like the amount of time that they were just But I I like it. I like it. I like that it added to the storyline of one, who is it? Because you know, in the in the in the beginning, you don't know who it is. You assume it's one, it's usually one killer. That's another thing that you know is new. You don't usually have two killers, so you assume it's one killer. The person who you think it is, you're like, it's absolutely has to be Billy. That dude is dirty and he keeps sneaking through her window. But yeah, but it couldn't be. So it was a whole psychological, they were really psychological like masterminds, really. I mean I Stu was an idiot. He was just following orders. But like, like you said, hey, this is something that's doing
Ghostface, Two Killers, and What Makes Scream Scary
SPEAKER_03orders really well.
SPEAKER_00Because he didn't know. She was doing really well.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no. Billy really thought about this. And they did a they did an excellent job of playing this. It can't be me. Because I'm here. I'm at McDonald's, but I'm also at Wendy's. It's like, how? I just saw you. And like, you can't be, right? So I think, and that really leads to why this makes why this story is a little bit more on the scarier side. For I think for some folks at least. Um, because like you could do the ghost and the monster thing, but for the most part, you're like, man, that ain't real. But this, these are supposed to be real people. Like, we've seen Ghostface get hit in the face, like, repeatedly with doors, with kicks. Like, this might get a concussion. He sucks.
SPEAKER_00He's not very good at this.
SPEAKER_03He's not very good. I mean, but but they're human and they're showing that part that okay, yeah, this is a human. This is somebody that could, you don't, you don't know who it could be. It could literally be the dad, it could be Stu, it could be Billy, it could be the principal, it could be the best.
SPEAKER_00Did you ever think it was the dad?
SPEAKER_03Um, uh, see. I gotta try to take myself back to 1996. I've seen it before. I've seen it above. Yeah, I've seen it before, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm a big screen fan, so I've seen all of that stuff. So I was like, I don't think I ever thought it was Billy's dad. Oh, sorry. I didn't think it was the dad. I was I just always thought it was strange that he disappeared, but I didn't think it was him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It did they never um to me, they never did a good enough job to convince me that it could have been him. So I never I never believed that I didn't know who it was. Um can well, I I don't maybe you can't remember this. I was gonna ask you if you can remember when did you first suspect that Stu was involved or that he was a killer.
SPEAKER_03Um I didn't know Stu was involved until I so I first suspected it. And this is and this is a while back, so please forgive me. I know, but I f if I talk about think about like back in the day when I actually um watched it originally, I first I thought it was stute. I I I thought Billy was just gross looking and whatever, but I thought it was stute only by himself because of how he was questioning the group when they were like at the fountain, like um and like how he was making such a big joke about somebody being slashed or whatever. Like, I I mean I get it, teenage boys are teenage boys, and you know, things are funny, but there's still a sort of sensitivity that is expected, and he he didn't have any, so it just felt like there was like a lack of remorse, a lack of compassion, a lack of empathy, a lack of those typical, and I want to say typical very loosely, typical uh kind of things that you would find a person where they wouldn't do that, like they'd be okay with cutting somebody open and watching their their their insides droop out. Like, not many folks are like gonna do that. Like you might kill somebody, but there's a level to it. And he was like joking around with it. Um, and that kind of made it like hmm, you're really desensitized to it. Why? Either you're like trauma, you're either you're crazy like traumatized or you don't care. And why don't you care? Because you did it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so that's interesting, and I guess that's my fault for not really um paying too much attention to a lot of the dialogue scenes, you know, especially there wasn't much, there wasn't much, so you had to like Yeah, so like when those like that that scene that all got got whenever all the kids were together, I I would zone out because I'm I don't care about that. Oh shit, like I don't care what you got off that book. I really, I really didn't. Um so I didn't really suspect Stu until uh he went to go get the bear. And so at first I thought he was dead, and then when I saw him again, I was like, oh Stu's the fucking killer. Because ain't no way in hell um he went down to go get the bear, and he would have had to have seen his girlfriend's body, you know?
SPEAKER_03So yeah, so it was hanging out of the door, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, you know, so Oh at the garage door, yeah. So I just thought to kill Stu off-screen at first, and then when he showed up at Randy, which I was so confused with why Sydney was like, Oh, who do I shoot? I was like, You saw Randy and Ghostface in the same room, you know, and at this point in time, we don't even think that two is an option, right? So I don't know why she thought that Randy was potentially the killer when you saw the killer about to kill Randy under um the TV camera, you know? The theory.
SPEAKER_03She did. She did. She did see that she was sitting on a couch watching Halloween, and yeah, and the the the camera dude said there's a 30-second delay. So uh unless he obviously could not be it, but so that I think that was a miss there. I think they didn't pay attention to that because that didn't really make sense at all. Um but you know, whatever. Um I kind of skipped over it, but I do want to I we kind of started talking about it. Um Rose McGowan and her kill scene as uh it was just like like you said, it was first of all, at this point, I think there's like maybe three or four more murders at this point. You know, even if it's not one of the main people, it's still like three or four. Why would you be alone at any point? Like, why? Why would you be like, hey girl, come with me, or hey my boyfriend, come with me. Well, I mean he was a killer, but she didn't know that at the point, so you know, whatever. Maybe that'd have been a nice like reveal, like, ah, it's him, but whatever. Hey, you know, I'm we need more. And she had like six bears. I'm like, why is she carrying these all by herself? Like, why would you grab a couple of people and be like, hey, we need more bears?
SPEAKER_00Only Stu. Well, I thought she was just supposed to grab one bear for Stu, and then I guess she decides to get for the whole team, like you said. But you know, to your point, I I don't understand why when she turned around and saw Ghostface, right? I don't know. At this point, like you said, at this point in time, there's been multiple uh murders. Yeah. Um because I'm like, why is she not afraid? And I was like, at the very least, she should be angry, because even if she thinks it's one of her friends pretending, like why would you do that? This person killed uh well is trying to kill your best friend, so she should be scared or at the very least angry, and she's just like, oh ha ha, what are you doing, or whatever. Yeah, that was dumb. That was so dumb. Didn't make sense. That's your dumb dumb move.
SPEAKER_03I I I had the quote, or I just have a note says whiteness. It just doesn't, you know, you know how they be. Like, ah, nothing's gonna happen to me. I'm like, girl, something's happening to you. Like, literally, you're staring at it.
SPEAKER_00Right now, you are oh my gosh. Yeah, that was oh my god.
SPEAKER_03And then when he like she opened a garage, it starts opening, she turns her back, and where'd he come from? I don't know, because that garage is not that big. I don't know where he came from, but okay, whatever.
SPEAKER_00So he's I said bullshit. Can he operate? That's what I said. I wrote that down. I was like, oh, so he just teleported in there. Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_03He just come on, man. He just shifted through the door, the window, the walls, and it showed up. I was like, there's no way she didn't see him. That garage is not that huge. It was like a one or two-car garage, and it was fairly empty. It wasn't like junky or anything, so it was weird.
SPEAKER_00It was lit well enough. It was lit well. Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_03He was just there. He goes to close the garage, and her scary ass, who's near the garage, instead of just I said, why did she just like kick the sensor so it goes back up? Like, there's a sensor in the garage.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like, you know, so you said it doesn't smash on people, so you could just step into the line of sight and it'll just go back up. I mean, they'd have been fighting about it. She'd keep cooking it, he'd keep kicking in it and be like, okay, this is weird. But I'd at least try that. Not head back towards him. Like, ah, like what?
SPEAKER_00She went back to the same door that she knew was locked. I mean, she did. You you you idiot. You you want to die. Is that what this is?
SPEAKER_03She did. She was begging for it at that point. She knocks on the door, like, hello, anyone can hear me? I'm like.
SPEAKER_00No. What? They can't. You know they can't.
SPEAKER_03You know you're like in a outside in a garage, detached garage. You know, well, no, it's not, it's attached. But you also know they're blasting music, blasting movies, people are drinking, like nobody's listening to you.
SPEAKER_00Attached where though? I don't know. So I'm I'm looking at this house. I'm trying to get the understand the layout of this house. Because won't won't. Isn't it usual for the garage to be uh street facing, to like facing the main entrance of the house?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But that's not the case here.
SPEAKER_03I thought it was because when when the city falls out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If it was, then the fucking deputy police officer and the news reporter should have seen this girl being murdered.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so many, so many people should have seen it. I don't know why. Like even when um when they were like, oh, there's a dead body, oh, when they killed the the principal, and they all left, like they all should have seen it. She should have had this ghost face mask on. I'd have died.
SPEAKER_01She had a mask on the house.
SPEAKER_03I'd have died, bro. That'd have been it. I'm like, oh, podcast over. What? You better call for help.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. Okay. Damn, wow. Alright. But yeah, you were saved. Yeah, with the the garage.
SPEAKER_03Like a street. Well, yeah, then I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I can't tell you. I don't know. It was weird. That one is weird. I didn't even think about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh, it was bothering me so much. I'm like, no one's gonna find this fucking girl. You know, like she's been she was missing for so long. And no one she only got discovered when Sydney was trying to escape.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, when she fell into the boat, yeah. And then she like, oh no.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh, Sydney just died.
SPEAKER_03I thought she died too. I'm like, ah, there's no way you're getting up after that. That's pure concrete. But nope, she got even Lennon in a boat. Like, it's not something soft.
SPEAKER_00She would have broken her back on the because there's some seats that someone's sitting on, right?
SPEAKER_03Right, yeah, it's like hard plastic seats.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like that's kind of weird. She was if not dead, she should have been paralyzed or something.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, definitely not getting back up.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Speaking of subverting expectations, you know how much times I was waiting for her to like twist or break her fucking ankle while she was like running away or something. I just feel like that's a thing they do to make it harder for them to escape and she would be limping away. And now she just got some strong ankles of steel, I guess, because she kept it pushing. She had those boot heels on. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. No, she was doing it. She was doing it. She was fighting back again. Very, you know, kind of anti-not normal. She was fighting back. She they got she got a c a quite a few good licks into those guys.
SPEAKER_00Um it should have been obvious that this killer, um, the the killers were children, just because of how like easily overpowered they were, and just how bad they were. Like, okay, yes, the planning and all that stuff is very impressive, but whenever they confronted their victims, it was like fucking no pun intended, because Matthew Lillard, but it's like fucking Scooby-Doo. You know, they're falling around, they're tripping, they get flipped over, they got hit in the head with vases and bottles. It was like, what is going just do the thing. Kill if you're gonna stab him, stab him. But it was Yeah, nah. So that was a that was a clue that it was children that just suck.
Final Reveal: Billy, Stu, and the Plan Falling Apart
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they were they I think they had more of the element of surprise on their on their hand, and just the the flight or flight, flight or fightness of the whole situation of like he just freezing. Because they really should have been easily overpowered and lost, but you know, whatever. Alright, so we'll we'll talk about the final scene and then do our ranking. So, final scene, we already kind of hinted at it. It's reveal that Billy and Stu are the killers. Um Billy and Stu also, I don't know if you heard it, I'm sure you did, also killed uh Sydney's mother a year ago. Yeah. And we already gave that reason why Billy's dad was stepping out with Sydney's mom. Which is, again, he was a psychological just, you know, because if you're aware of that, and then you go like, oh, I'm gonna date the daughter of the I'm gonna date the daughter of the woman who broke up my family. He he he was in it. He planned that for sure.
SPEAKER_00So So would they never really give us an explanation as to why Stu was involved? So is Stu just a psycho?
SPEAKER_03Stu was just he was like, hey, we I'm about to murder somebody. Stu was like, I'm down. Like he had no other agent. He was just he was just like, I'm down. Okay. He was just helping out his best friend. He's like, I'm down. That's it.
SPEAKER_00I don't need I don't need a motive. This is my this my homie. That's my motive. That's it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. He I think I mean he kind of revealed at the end when they were, you know, he was saying that he just they just want to be like the last two alive, probably for some uh notoriety or you know, that we survive, you know.
SPEAKER_00I mean he was very immature. I mean, like, and I'm not talking like high school student immature, I mean like fucking arrested development. Because when when when he had asked Sydney did you really call the police? And she's she's like, Yeah, I did. Yeah, it was weird. My parents are gonna be so upset. Yeah, it was weird.
SPEAKER_03It was weird. I was like, he really, he was weird. He was all he was all in it until it became real. And he was like, ah man, I gotta have to deal with this. Yeah. Alright, so they they they finally revealed their last their their plan, which is to kill Sydney. Uh kill her father, frame her father, uh, because they had him tied up this whole time. I was like, are they feeding him and giving him water? Because I don't I don't know. They're not or not, but okay. He might have been dead already in there. But either way, I don't know how they're gonna how they're gonna work that if he was already already dead in there. They open up the they open up the closet, man's dead body falls out, dehydrated, like, ah, shit. That would've been hilarious. That's took me out. But either way, all right, so they have they have their final seed, and then they proceed to instead of carrying out that part of the plan, they first stab each other, and not just like little Nicks, like full blade in skin, stab each other. And I I this is where they you know the immaturity and the lack of thought and the the youthness of them kind of really shines of like why? Why would you stab yourself first? Like, do you realize you're gonna bleed, right? Like you're not gonna stop it. Yeah, and then not only that, even if they were like, even if it wasn't like a a deep cut, how they explain in their blood being in all these different people when they're supposedly attacked, like Stu is trying to shove the little modulator thing into the father's pocket. I'm like, your fingerprints and blood is all over that.
SPEAKER_00Like there was why there was no there was no um forensic just Yeah, they didn't give a shit.
SPEAKER_03They just assumed that they were just gonna assume that they're like, alright, you guys survived, alright. You know, this is open as well. We thought it was the dad anyway.
SPEAKER_00That's like that um drama lady bit when he talks about doing crimes in like the 20s.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, ah, there's a pile of blood over there. The guy's like, yuck, wipe it up. Clean it up.
SPEAKER_01He's like, oh, let's draw a chalk outlet of the body.
SPEAKER_03All right, that'll be helpful. We gotta know where it was. I don't know. The body's gone now. I say, yuck, clean that up.
SPEAKER_01So I guess they were thinking forensic science as it evolves in 70 years.
SPEAKER_03Uh they're not gonna see the very clear evidence of self-inflicted wounds, and it doesn't make sense that your blood and fingerprint, your your bloody fingerprint is on this modulator.
SPEAKER_00Like on the fucking gun, that homeboy killed him.
SPEAKER_03On the tape, on the tape, they gotta pull a tape off on the gun.
SPEAKER_00He's been tied up, so there'll be ligature marks, you know, from being tied up for so long.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and just show his wrist. It's like, listen, I didn't do this to myself and then go kill people.
SPEAKER_00I don't care if it was the 90s, like any detective would walk in there or any forensic um analysts would be like, uh Yeah, this is not what happened.
SPEAKER_01I think these two kids just killed everybody. And then accidentally killed themselves because uh Stu was about to bleed the hell out.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, yeah, he I don't he it's just like he stabbed him like three or four times. Like not just the once, but like three or four times. He was mad.
SPEAKER_00I think the other stabs were more cuts, not stabs. Like he were cutting his arms and stuff. I think so.
SPEAKER_03Well, that first one caught him in his stomach somewhere because he was definitely spitting up blood.
SPEAKER_00I'm like, did you guys study like the human anatomy to like know where to put these stab wounds? Because he he did tell Stu when he was gonna guess when Billy told Stu, when Stu was about to stab him, remember uh not too deep and stay on the right side or something, which that doesn't make sense. There's tons of shit on the right side, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you never want to be stabbed in the stomach. Like the stomach is the worst place, or the the the the the chest area, stomach area is the worst place to get stabbed. There's way too many major organs in there that it just even if you get even if your intestine gets knit, now you got you know bacteria spilling out.
SPEAKER_00Just you're poisoning. Sepsis.
SPEAKER_03Now you have sepsis. Like, like, no, I would I would never if that's my plan, if that's my plan, like bro, we gotta you gotta hit me in like the shoulder, lower leg type situation, knock me out, maybe, is a thing. Like we we try to hit each other in the head or something, something else must happen, but I'm not getting stabbed. That's that's in that's almost guaranteed death to be stabbed.
SPEAKER_00So it's right, the appendix is on that side also, so like that's that's not I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm not yeah, we're not, and then you accidentally nick a uh a lung, no like lung collapse, like nah, we're not we're not nah, you can't hit me in the middle. Like, you gotta go somewhere else. It was a bad plan. It was a bad plan. Also, I don't know why they tried to execute it before they finished. That was kind of weird.
SPEAKER_00Um just killed her and killed him, and then they could do whatever stupid shit they wanted to do. Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. But so I don't know. Because so these kids were all meticulous for a year, and then all of a sudden just they just couldn't get across the finish line.
SPEAKER_03They just lost it. They they fumbled on a one yard, one yard line, they fumbled. They almost had it.
SPEAKER_00Gotta gotta run through the tape.
SPEAKER_03They celebrated too early.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But uh really quick, speaking of of and this is back to the my last point on the Sydney origin story thing or whatever.
SPEAKER_03Because the villain of the story.
SPEAKER_00It is because she had sex with Billy and was still not convinced that he was not.
SPEAKER_03I was like, why? Oh my god, bro. Um I don't know. I don't know how I skipped that, but how is I yeah. After like almost as soon as she they're literally getting dressed, she's like, Yeah, so uh who'd you call? It's like, oh my dad. Like, no, no, you didn't. Yeah. Like, uh, wouldn't it be funny if you called me? Like, ha ha ha ha ha. And then Billy gives his like weird, I'm the killer look. And you're like, oh, okay, so it is Billy, whatever. But yeah, why did she do that? That was so weird.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_03She didn't want to do it when he wasn't the suspected killer, and she's like, you know what? I might as well. I'm probably gonna kill you anyway.
SPEAKER_00Might as well. Okay. Oh right. It is time to score this thing.
SPEAKER_03Score.
Final Scores, Cultural Impact, and Franchise Thoughts
SPEAKER_00For first-time listeners, we have five categories: plot and writing, acting and casting, production, cinematography, visuals, music and sound, and finally cultural impact. We score each category from uh one to ten and compile it all at the end to get our final score of the movie. You know, we never reveal our final score.
SPEAKER_03Um, oh, like the total? I think we've done that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we never have. Um one time. Yeah. One time. Anyway, all right, plot and writing. What you got?
SPEAKER_03Alright. Um, so this one's tough because uh, like we already talked about, writing the writing itself, as far as dialogue, it isn't that groundbreaking. It's you know, it is what it is, but the plot is new, it's fresh, it's different. So, because of that, I'm gonna give It's a eight.
SPEAKER_00Oh, an eight. I gave it a six. Oh, okay. I gave it a si I know, yeah. I gave it a six because of the same reasons. Um, I couldn't see myself going any higher than a seven. And I I just I went with a six, and the strength of the six is because of the the twist, the unexpected things that happen. Yeah, the two killer thing. That was pretty interesting interesting. Okay. Um acting and casting, would you give that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So acting and casting, like this isn't a movie to like bring about any feels or anything. Like, literally, it could have been anybody. So I gave it a three.
SPEAKER_00A three? Damn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Uh I give it a five.
SPEAKER_03Oh shit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, yeah, I just I because I mean you still have Courtney Cox in it, you know, and and uh okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
unknownYou're right.
SPEAKER_03Courtney Cox as Gail was pretty good. I like I like Courtney Cox, I like Neve, and I like um David Ardette as Dewey, but also I feel like they could have been anybody. Like anybody could have been Gail, anybody could have been Sydney, anybody could have been Dewey. It's just like those three happened to be it, and you know, they were iconic in their own way at that time.
SPEAKER_00So I'll give it a four. There was a long list of people for each role, too, so you're you're not wrong about that. Um I'll give it a four, fine. Production, cinematography, and visuals.
SPEAKER_03I thought the production I thought the production in Cinemargue was actually decent, aside from you know, like I like the play on the two the two killers really brought it together of like them being in different places seemingly at the same time. So I give it a nice seven.
SPEAKER_00Seven, alright. I give it a six again.
SPEAKER_03A little bit closer on that one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Everything I don't get too I don't get too high on my scores in the movie. Um, it's I'll say my overall thoughts. I'll give you overall thoughts actually when we're done here. Because my overall thoughts might surprise you. Okay, music and sound. What do you have for that?
SPEAKER_03I thought the music was appropriate. Um, you know, it it helped to drive the jump scares, the tension, the release, or whatever. So I give that a six.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I gave it a five. Same reasons. Um I don't really have much to add. Beltrami did the score for this. Who worked with him on um uh Red Eye, our first. So this is our second Wes Craven movie. We didn't mention West Craven really, who did Red Eye? Beltrami did a score for both things. Apparently, Beltrami uh was not a film. I think this is his first film score that he did.
SPEAKER_03Oh, uh screen?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay. I didn't see that.
SPEAKER_00West Craven was like, yo, like, um I need you to write this. And he gave him like I don't know how much time to do it, not a lot of time. And he like did it like in a weekend or he did like one like the main theme or something. But he did he had no background in this. He was just kind of like trying to figure that shit out as he went. It was very interesting. Um, cultural impact. What do you have for that?
SPEAKER_03I'm giving it a pretty high score, and I will give my reasons why. I I do give it a 10. Um I mean, we've we've been talking about it all throughout the movie. Um, it's you know, a new take on the genre of of uh slasher films, uh, with the two killer thing. It obviously spawned a you know seven different movies, all from nineteen ninety-eight to now twenty twenty-six here. Um, you know, you said it's fourth on the highest grossing list, so um we have parodies based on it with Scary Movie, which is its own franchise. And I think they're actually gonna do some new one. I don't know what is coming out, but I did hear I did hear that uh I did hear Regina Hall and Anna Ferris signed on for it. So wow so we'll see. And I think the Wayne's brothers are back for writing it because you know they were only one and two, and in three, four, five somebody else did. I I I was I heard that they're back to writing it. Oh okay. So we might have to do a scary movie one. Um so for those reasons, I I do give it a ten.
SPEAKER_00Um, I agree with everything you said. Um, I'm a little bit lower, I give it a nine. Um, but the nine is is way higher than all my other scores because why I think everything else in the movie was it was just fine. Ultimately, the impact of the movie culturally is very huge. Everything you just said, seven movies, uh, spin-off franchise or well, parody franchise. A lot of people made money off of this. This helped revitalize a whole genre of movie um that's still successful to this day. So, yeah, um, I couldn't go anything, I didn't get quite to the 10, but a nine definitely felt right for me, you know. And I I did want to give you my overall thoughts on the movie, right? Because you did say you told me we're gonna do Scream, and we kind of went back and forth about will we just do Scream? Will we do the entire franchise?
SPEAKER_03I wish we did the franchise, I'm gonna be honest. As I was watching it, I was like, because there's so much you could because I know it. I'm like, I want to talk about this, but I can't. I can't have to pretend I don't have the knowledge, which is like uh, whatever.
SPEAKER_00Listen, listen, I agree with you. I wish we did the whole franchise too.
SPEAKER_03Oh man. 100%.
SPEAKER_00I did not, um, I did not expect to because I groaned when you said that. I was like, I don't want to watch all these scream movies. I know. He's like as silly as this movie was, it was fun, it was a fun watch, and I in instantly, I almost had I had to stop the TV from playing the second one, you know, because I was like, whoa, like I have notes to take, I can't move on. But I can see myself getting lost in this franchise. I am down for a franchise watch. You let me know when you want to schedule it. Uh I did not expect, I did not expect to like this movie as much as we got a fan. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so overall, your score averages out to a seven uh for the movie, and mine's is a 6.2.
SPEAKER_03All right, that's not bad. Yeah, that's not bad.
SPEAKER_00Um, all right. Well, that will do it for our real takes and shit. I'm reading and I fucked that up.
SPEAKER_03I'm leaving this in. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00All right. All right, well, that will do it for our real take on Scream. To connect with us to give us some feedback or just say hello, email us at real talkbanter at gmail.com. That's R-E-E-L banter at gmail.com. Thanks for listening.
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