When Cloudless Skies Thunder, Stand Fast: Immortals (2011)

Stand your ground. Fight for the people beside you. Fight for a future worth remembering. We start with the rallying words that Immortals wants to burn into your brain, then we ask the question the movie keeps dodging: does it actually earn any of that greatness, or is it all style and slow-motion steel?

We break down Immortals (2011) as a Greek mythology inspired fantasy action film that looks amazing and often makes no sense. From Henry Cavill’s Theseus feeling strangely superhuman for “just a man,” to Mickey Rourke’s Hyperion whispering threats while chasing a plan that might destroy everyone, we dig into what works and what collapses under scrutiny. Along the way we talk production design, 3D-era visuals, the gold-plated gods of Olympus, and why the film’s geography and pacing can feel like characters teleporting between set pieces.

The biggest debate is the rulebook: the gods “can’t interfere” until they sort of do, Zeus enforces laws that don’t seem to apply to Zeus, and the legendary Epirus Bow plays less like a mythic artifact and more like a plot key anyone can pick up. We also tackle the Minotaur interpretation, the brazen bull trap, the tunnel battle choices that echo 300, and the ending that makes it feel like Zeus quietly did most of the heavy lifting.

If you like movie reviews, Greek mythology movies, fantasy epics, or you’re tracking Henry Cavill’s early roles, this conversation is for you. Subscribe for more, share your take with a friend, and leave a review. What’s your score for Immortals: underrated spectacle or beautiful mess?

Transcript

The Speech That Opens Everything

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Stand your ground. Fight for the woman. Fight for the man beside you. Fight for those who bore you. Fight for your children. Fight for your future. Fight so your name survives. Fight for immortality.

First Impressions And 300 Comparisons

SPEAKER_00 0:54

I'm Omari Williams.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

And I'm Jay Richardson.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

And today we are discussing Immortals. 2011. Fantasy Epic? Is that how that's described?

unknown 1:08

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how they classify these things. Um. Thoughts. Immortals. Oh, damn. Fun? First time watching it, right? That no.

SPEAKER_04 1:23

Uh yeah, it is my first time watching the movie. I had not heard about it or seen it before. So it was uh it was an adventure. Um mythical adventure.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Mythical one. Fantastical, even. Yeah, so immortals was was my uh definitely my selection. And I can't remember what I initially had scheduled for us to record today, but I went out with my buddies a couple weeks ago. And while sitting at the bar, Immortals came up and I was like, oh yeah, Immortals, let's do this instead. And I changed the schedule on you.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

You did.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

So yeah, so that's how this ended up get um being recorded. Uh, shout out to uh Kenneth and Ovid. They don't fucking listen, but whatever.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

They might, they might. Now if you give them a shout out, like hey, we you said your name.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

I guess so. Um, all right, so the Immortals, you know, came out in in 2011, and I think for me, well, I know for a fact for me, is this is coming three years after we had 300, which was just this cultural phenomenon that happened, you know, and you can see some of the stylistic um influences in this movie, how it it was shot, not quite Zack Snyder-ish, it wasn't as much with the slow-mo stuff, but there was some there was a good deal of the slow-mo um action scenes in it, and it was shot in 3D, so that's why it popped on your screen even when you're not watching it 3D. Um, but this I I believe 300 is what really made me realize, ooh, I really like this sword and sandals genre type of deal. And when Immortals came out, I was definitely all about it. Henry Cavill is pretty awesome. He's an actor I enjoy watching. You have thoughts on Henry Cavill?

SPEAKER_03 3:35

No.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Not really. Oh, really? No. You're not.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

I mean, he's alright. He's cool. He's cool, he's cool, it's cool, he's cool. I just, you know, he doesn't do anything for me. You know what? Why are all these almost not all of them, but a lot of our leading uh actors and actresses uh in the US space are all from like everywhere else.

SPEAKER_04 4:00

They're like Canadian or British or like what's up with that? Do we not have good homegrown talent?

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I don't know. I I I I've heard like people say that it's easier for them to fake the American accents to versus the other way around, you know. I really don't know what it is. I don't know if it's like does the UK have a stronger emphasis in theater or something? I don't know. This is all speculation. That'd be a good take.

SPEAKER_04 4:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

I mean, you you you and I spoke about being able to recognize when an actor has roots in theater and really appreciating their work because it just it communicates differently once they're on film.

SPEAKER_05 4:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

So that could be a thing where um uh what your boy, what did Timmy say uh a few weeks back about how like theater and ballet is dead? Um he did. So yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why why that is.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

I don't know either. Alright, guys, we need to we need to get some more American black actors out there taking these leading roles. Amari.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Yeah it's on you carry the torch to be or not to be. That is the question. And scene.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

I'd hire you. You got it. You got the role. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

All right.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

You got a non-speaking role in my commercial, but I give you a role.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

That's okay. I'll do some voiceover work. Um, I'm gonna clip that audio and send it to whoever you're supposed to send these things to. Yeah. Alright, well, back to the immortals. Um, this is a Greek, you know, fantasy thing, so it makes sense that you have a bunch of British actors in in this one. Alright, let's dive into Immortals. So, the Immortals starts out with as most of these type of like epic fantasy movies start. Yeah, there's there's a whole narrator telling some type of prophecy thing. We had a vision from these oracles, and um, well, so we find out that the four of them, there's only one real oracle, and then the other three are to help hide the identity of who the real oracle is, the true oracle. So, but you you have the vision showing like the upcoming war and the battle and all that stuff to come. And I don't know, that stuff was cool, like visually. Did you have anything that stood out to you in in this opening sequence?

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Um no, nothing really stood out. I mean, the visuals are nice, there's just I guess my biggest problem with this the beginning scene. I just didn't know why I was supposed to be caring yet. So it's just like okay. Like, it was just alright, cool.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

So yeah, it it starts off and it's like, guys, guys, guys, this is like it's intense, this is happening, and it's like, whoa, we just started like who you are awaii, yeah. And then, of course, we got introduced to the the villain shortly after, who is Hyperion and played by Mickey Rourke. Yeah, um, I thought he did a pretty great job in the movie. Yeah, for sure. I like Mickey's roaring. Very very good at being menacing and everything. Whispering the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Speak up. You say he was whispering the whole time. Whispering. Speak up.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Listen, so he did um there's this old dude, I guess he was like a monk. Uh you've seen you've seen Breaking Bad, yes?

SPEAKER_05 7:55

No.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Oh my god. What the fuck? How are we even friends? What is going on?

SPEAKER_03 8:03

I knew that question was gonna show up one time at some point.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Um holy shit. Well, because that old dude, um, I was like, is that Hector Salamanca? Because he was he was in Breaking Bad, but anyway, it was him. I'm pretty sure it was him. But that's the dude that he poured, he takes a cup, uh, Hyperion, he pours it on his dude's head, and he like starts pouring, and I'm like, is this a magic cup?

SPEAKER_03 8:26

Because what was in there? I was like, what is that? Like, when he picked it up, it was like barely half full, and then this man pouring forever.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

I was like, oh he drenched, he like almost flooded the fucking place. I thought it was water. I thought it was water. I guess it's oil, definitely oil. But I'm like, what kind of the the consistency, the visual consistency of it is like it was freaking water splashing like water, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

Yeah, I swear it's water until he lighted my fire. Then I was like, oh, I guess it's like oil, then oil or something.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Yep, that's what I wrote too. Okay, so uh so okay, cool. So we see the bad guy, he's pretty bad. Um he's pretty fucked up, he's pretty bad. Uh he means business. So then we we we shift perspective over to the Colpus Peninsula where we get introduced to our protagonists, our main character, Theseus, played by Henry Cavill, and um we just see them living their life in this they live in a village on the side of a fucking mountain, like outside white.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

I mean, very pretty, but I'd be very concerned. Like, how do you move anywhere?

SPEAKER_00 9:37

It's a terrible place to live. Yeah, like because I don't know, I didn't see I guess well, I guess there obviously are steps because they get no, sorry. I was gonna say because they they can't get to the water, but we found out the water is like filled with oil, so they're not fishing. Like, how are these people surviving? Where are they getting water from? What if if the water is contaminated, not contaminated, it has to be contaminated, there's oil in the water, there's no fishing or like wildlife to eat. Like, how do these people survive? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

I don't know. I really didn't understand why the village was like there were there other than to protect the thing, so okay, but there's no way this the thing that no one knew. No one knew that was there. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

I was like, okay. So you guys are living here by choice. I don't know. It was just it was weird. I mean, you guys need to leave. This is not it.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

They were being blessed by the gods, I guess, and maybe they don't have to eat any food. They're just like, they don't need water or fruit. They're just surviving.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

And then like it's all rocky, so it's not either farming and they're like growing crops.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

So yeah, they must be like uh they didn't show it because I guess why would they? But there must be some some other area somewhere that they can get to that, you know, give them those things.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Because aside from that, unless there's like some type of mineral or something that they mine that they can trade for goods and resources, that would be something, yeah. You know, yeah. But yeah, I

Villain Introduction And Village Logic

SPEAKER_00 11:14

guess yeah, we're getting too deep in the ek ec economics of this village. It's just it's just it's just weird. It's just a bad village. Um so we did see the mother. Well, we did see the ladies, because there's clean water in that like temple shrine area or something, and then this other woman just calls her a whore just out of nowhere, like and pushes her down. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Like we didn't really go into the story of how she was a whore. I you know, they just said her his father was gone, but okay. Did he die?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

So I thought, I guess I wrongfully thought that Zeus was his dad.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

Oh yeah, no, I did not think that at all.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yeah, that's I think I was mixing Greek mythologies or something, because I was making that assumption. Oh, you thought he was gonna be able to get it. Because I thought he was like part gone. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, well, Hercules is the most famous, but Zeus is infamous for coming down. Yeah, so but I guess Theseus is not say again in this one.

SPEAKER_04 12:17

I don't think he is, he just, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah, no, yeah. Theseus is supposed to be human, he's supposed to be mortal, so that was that was my mistake. So I guess he's just some bastard boy or whatever. Um we get we get a shot shortly after of Henry Cavill all abed up and pecked out to death, uh, clearly getting ready for that Superman role. And um, so we see an awesome disarming of these soldiers, right? There's there's a bunch of soldiers and he just takes them all out. And um I don't know, man. I'm like I'm having a hard time with him being just a mortal, normal human being. Because every time he's like fighting, all the things he was doing, I might he's like blessed by the gods somehow. But if we're saying he's just a regular dude, this movie gets even more ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

I mean, they didn't go like into detail. I assume that he is human, but you know, the oracle did make mention that he was touched by the gods. I mean, he's he's been having consistent interaction with Zeus in his mortal form since he was a boy.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

So maybe something, you know, rubbed off. I don't you know, in some way.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Because you know, they did ask him like like who like how'd you learn to like fight or whatever? And I guess we're supposed to believe this old we know it's Zeus, I understand that. But this old man trained him to just become this badass fucking peasant warrior or something. I don't know, it's just kind of weird. The if we take a step back really quick, right? The movie It's a little longer than I think it needed to be, but not as long as when you think of these like epic like fantasy stuff, it's not bad because some of these things be pushing three hours long, right? But I feel like even with its runtime, they found themselves like skipping through stuff and not properly explaining things, and like characters would just appear in a new location when the previous scene showed them doing something else. Did you feel that? Did you get that sense also?

SPEAKER_04 14:31

Um, yes. Like, I I couldn't understand or tell how far things were because this is all done by like horse and foot at this point. So I'm like, how the hell did he get there? Like I'm assuming he's not like across the street, so okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

We it it did take us 25 minutes to get to like the first like action set of the movie. It was a long wait, but to me it was definitely worth it. We had this tracking shot where uh Thesis killed eight dudes in an unbroken sequence. It was really awesome, just cutting through guys, slicing through them, and then Hyperion shows up to kind of which I don't understand why Hyperion would even be at this village, because I would just send my troops to go out and and it's not like this was an important location for the king to come down here and and participate in this war, in my opinion. But anyway, he was there, and the main reason was so that we can have the main villain kill the main protagonist's son, and now I was like, Oh, I need to kill him. Like, now we have this kind of vengeance thing that's gonna happen throughout the rest of the movie. Hyperion decides not to kill the dude that just cut down eight of his men with ease, and is like, no, no, no, we're gonna keep him as a slave. Which, like, what were your thoughts on him deciding to spare Theseus in that moment? Outside of the fact that plot armor exists. Like, what'd you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 15:56

I thought that he wanted to do it because he just needs strong people. I mean, I was thinking about you know what I was thinking about it as I was watching it, because it was like he he he wanted to keep him so that he could mine the salt mines, and I'm like, why?

SPEAKER_04 16:10

Like, what is even this? Like, why do you care about salt right now?

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Like okay, but they said he actually said salt mines?

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

He said he could preserve the meats, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 16:25

I guess. I mean, you know, salt. I mean, salt, uh especially in that time, is definitely a commodity, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Gold, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

But like, why are you concerned about fucking salt right now with war? Exactly. In the middle of war, I don't care about my crops at this time, but so it was just kind of weird. Um, yeah, I don't think that he should have kept him alive. Like you see this guy, you just give him motivation because you killed his mother in front of him. Um you see that he's strong, he's a strong warrior. The options were to either try to convince him to join you or kill him. And I don't it don't make sense to it was no it made no sense to make him a slave, but you know, plot armor, like you said.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Yeah, I I I think that was an easy you gotta kill this guy right here, right now.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

Um Also I agree, there was no reason for him to be there. Like this was just they didn't at the time, at this point in time, they didn't know the bull was there. So there was no point for him to be there. Also the thing that also tripped me out is the beginning of this this scene here, before he notices the village on fire, I'm like, how the fuck did he not know? He was right there. He was just like around the corner.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Like when is this?

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Before he goes over, like when he when he um enters the old man's dwelling and like old man, old man, he's looking for him, and then he like looks over, he sees all the dead birds or whatever, he looks over and then the whole village is on fire. I'm like, how the fuck did he not know that? Did he not I mean he's there, he's there, activist. Yeah, it's not a big place because he showed up like 10 seconds later. So it's not like it was like miles away, like he was right there. You didn't hear the screaming, you didn't smell the smoke, like nothing. You're just like nothing. Like, oh, there's oh dead birds. Oh no, something's in trouble. Like, what the fuck? It was weird. Anyway, aside from that, yes, he should have killed him. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

But you know, uh, so after this, it cuts to the gods,

Plot Holes, Geography, And Pacing Issues

SPEAKER_00 18:40

right? And we we so we have this whole thing. Well, they explain it away by saying that the gods cannot interfere, you know, with man, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just have this question where it's like, because you see that all the time, and it it's just something that's used to prevent, you know, just a day's ex machina from happening in these types of stories. However, what I always wonder is like who's enforcing these laws, right? So, like, I understand if like Aries or Poseidon or whatever interferes. Yeah, Zeus can be like, hey man, you broke the law, I'm gonna punish you. But if Zeus himself interferes, who is punishing him? Like, how does that work? Is it is it like a curse where if he does it, he'll like die immediately, or there's not another entity to hold him accountable.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

Yeah, Zeus could do whatever he wants. Zeus is the Zeus is the enforcer, but yeah. So everybody else can't, except for Zeus. And he's gonna explain it away. He's like, Oh, I've never shown myself as my as Zeus, you know, I've just been the uh the old man. I was like, Yeah, but you've been influencing it his entire life, but okay, sure.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Do we need to talk to you about Hercules man? Heracles? Right, okay, like that's human tofer it. Like, what are you doing? Right. Gosh. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Yeah. The the Greek mythology part of this is very weak. It's like they just took it the names, and then yeah, yeah. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

They did say it's loosely based on whatever, and yeah, as loose as loosely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because even this story is supposed to be Theseus and and the Minotaur, right? And the Battle of the Minotaur, which is another classic Greek Greek story, which um, again, the interpretation of that very, very loose. It's fucking bowl thing. How do you feel about how do you feel about the the say that again?

SPEAKER_03 20:42

The bowl man thing, like yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

In real time, were you like, oh, he's fighting the minotaur? Were you like that in real time? No, I was not. No, it was at the end when we saw the statue. I was like, oh, that was supposed to be the minute. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

I was like, oh, okay, that's what that was.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Okay, I was like, guys, no, no. So what do you think about the the gods though, and their their attire, their armor, their fucking helmets? Like, like, what'd you think about that whole set design?

SPEAKER_03 21:16

No, the set design was nice. I thought they did a good job, like obviously distinguishing them um from everybody else with the gold, the pure gold, everything. Um I thought that um Luke Evans, I thought Luke Evans did a good job as Zeus as well.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

I thought he did a real good job. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

My only issue, like I said, they they were kind of just doing this weird, you know, playing fast and loose with the rules of like don't interfere, don't interfere, don't interfere, but you know what was like why not? Like it it really didn't make sense. And then and then they kind of built it up with like Theseus being the person that needs to do these things, but then when it really came down to it, like the final scene. Of like uh the gods versus the titans. Where was he? Yeah, he was somewhere else getting choked out. So I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

He got his ass handed to it. Are we gonna get there? But like Zeus literally says, Hey man, this is not your fight anymore. So I'm like, what was the point then?

SPEAKER_03 22:20

I thought the whole point was you were prepping him because he was the one who had to stop the Titans once they got released. Like, okay, I could track that. But then it was like, nope, never mind, we got it. And then they were getting their ass kicked too. I was like, okay, so everybody just sucks here. So whatever.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

It was it was tough. It was tough.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

But the gods themselves, like popping up, doing the things they do, they had Poseidon, you had Athena there, um Ares was there. So, you know, it was it was a nice callback. And I I like the outfits. I like the the gold and the the mask and the helmets and stuff like that. They look powerful, they look like they could do some shit, but they ultimately could not. So that was disappointing. Did you did you like that scene when they first showed up?

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Um, I I I think some of the helmets were a little goofy looking, you know, to to be honest. Um, I like the overall concept with the gold plated armor and everything. Yeah, um, but some of the helmets were a little little goofy looking. And I I feel like I wish it was a little easier to differentiate the gods from amongst each other. So they capture the villagers, they turn them into slaves. I guess they're walking through like some desert or something. I don't know. The geography was weird. I don't know. I guess they had to go through the the mountain to get to the other side of this is some desert. They're taking them as prisoners, whatever. But they get to wherever they're holding the slaves, and like one of the other slaves, he sees they see the oracles come in, and uh, he makes some comment like, oh man, like I would like to get with some of that, or some some some like lust, lecturer's comment. And my question was like, you can't even see, you can't see under these robes. You don't even know if there's women under there. I mean, I guess you know the stories that oracles are women, but I'm like, dude, like, what is your deal? Um like you don't know what they look like at all. They are sexy, but he doesn't know that. That's my thing. He has no idea what they look like. So they go and get some water, and like Theseus is all defeated. He's you know, his mom died, was murdered, and so forth. That doesn't make any sense to me. Well, Homegirl brought him some goddamn water in the sexiest, fucking nastiest way ever. She comes and just like dribbles water into his mouth. And I'm like, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm thirsty too. God damn, like, what the fuck?

Gods Rules And Minotaur Confusion

SPEAKER_00 24:44

I was like, but I'm like, are they not gonna stop this from happening? Like, I don't know, that was so random. Yeah, and then and then we get to the scene where the the this scene was confusing for me, so maybe it made sense to you. But like the oracles, they're like, yeah, we gotta get the fuck out of here. She had nudged, brushed up against Theseus, and was like, oh shit, he's the one. So that's why she gave him the water and and so forth. Well, we find out later. That it's more than one reason why she gave the man that water, but we'll talk about that. But they're like telling the other slaves, yo, we're gonna we gotta bust out of here, right? Yeah, so what confused me though is that the soldiers were moving under oracles. It looked like they were about to attack them, but like I don't understand because they received orders not to touch the oracles, not to harm them. But Hyperion, um one of the one of the soldiers said to Hyperion, oh, they were about to, they were trying to escape. I said, No, they weren't. They tried to escape, yes, in that moment, but before the soldiers walked up on the oracles, like surrounded them like menacingly, they didn't know that they were gonna try escape, you know? So did you see it that way or am I missing something?

SPEAKER_03 26:01

No, I did see it that way. My my interpretation of that scene was these are, I mean, these these uh these are very four beautiful women, um, and they're doing this weird circle jerk thing. Like, I don't know what that was, but okay. Um but it was it was some kind of like um siren call, if you like. Like it was they were kind of like doing this low hum and like all the men kind of started coming towards them. So they definitely were gonna attack them, I think, in a nefarious way. I don't know what beat them up, but you know, definitely probably try to take advantage of them, even though they're not supposed to, because then you know, if one is defiled, if the one is defiled, then she can't get her her uh uh visions anymore. Um but yeah, I think they were gonna try to take advantage of them, and they took that opportunity to then, you know, attack them and escape is what I got from that.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Okay. I I okay. I didn't okay. I s I'll take that. I I didn't really I didn't pick up on that whole like lusty vibe from the soldiers, but it could have been. They were just men, so why not?

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Right, exactly. Just doing whatever hell they were doing. So yeah, that's how I took it. They they they just um they kind of used their beauty against them, like, yeah, come check us out, yeah. Don't you like this? Stop, stop, stop, stab.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Stop, stop, stop, stop.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Why we both say stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Is that how you stop? I don't know. Oh my god. All right.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

I don't know why that just happened. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

This is why we're friends.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

We're back again. This is why people think that sometimes we script our shit. Yeah. Um yeah, so they're telling Hyperion, yeah, they got away and so forth. They say they kill seven men, and I'm like, they the way they said it, it was like the oracles kill seven men. I was like, damn, ladies. All right, do your thing. Um, so he sends Mondragon is his name. Crazy ass name, but he sends him and some other warriors to go and retrieve the oracles because uh I guess Hyperion didn't know that there are four oracles. Um, I thought that was common knowledge for some reason, but the and then the soldiers also didn't reveal to Hyperion that there were four and one escaped until like after the conversation was you know, they were going through the conversation. It was kind of weird. Um but so that's what's happening now. The the three oracles have been captured, one has escaped with Theseus. Stavros is the um other horny slave, and then there's a couple other slaves with them that's that's going on. I mean, Stavros was the one that was like, yeah, let me get with these ladies. But anyway, so now they're all of a sudden now uh Theseus is like rejuvenated. I mean, if that oracle fucking gave me some water to drink from her mouth, I'll be rejuvenated too, I guess. But he's like all like ready to fight and everything. I'm like, all right, dude, but you were on the brink of death a second ago, like relax.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

So I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Um and then Starvus gives a speech for like, oh, like let's go take this boat and like butt, let's get out of here. And he says to Theseus, Udi, you're gonna stay with you're gonna stay with her or you're gonna come with me. I was like, dude, that's an easy decision. But Theseus was like, nah, man, we're gonna go north and we're gonna go fight Hyperion and so forth. So they decide to go and um steal the ship because it was just uh a merchant ship or some stupid shit that Staffro said, and it was not, it was it had several like dozens of soldiers on it, um, and they were quickly outnumbered. And here comes the god to be literal Deus Machina's in this story, whenever they felt like it. But there was a cool ass scene with Poseidon diving from the heavens into the oily water to flood the ship. While it was cool looking, I don't understand what Poseidon's plan was because he could have just as easily killed Theseus and all of them.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Well, again, he's you know, they're trying to play in that gray area. They said they they they can't directly interfere. And he made the comment well, oceans have random waves all the time or some shit like that. So I guess his plan was just to make a big ass wave and hope it falls the way he needs it to fall, is what the plan was.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

It would have killed them. It would have killed them.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You know, you gotta do what you gotta do. You gotta play within the great areas. Is he just gonna make a big ass wave and hope that it took out the bad guys and other good guys? And it was like, okay, well.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yeah, that's not how waves work though.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

So it worked though, did it not?

SPEAKER_00 30:46

It didn't. It worked because they jumped out of the way and somehow avoided a fucking tidal wave. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

Yeah, I was like, where'd they go? It's not like they jumped to like land, they just jumped to the water. I was like, oh, so they didn't drown? Okay, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Well, no, no, no. They jumped to they jumped to the land, to the dock, they jump off the boat onto the dock, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

But like, it's a gigantic tidal wave, like it should have covered that dock.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Oh, it did, because they're all covered in oil after the fact. Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I don't know. So, how did they not drown? You're not answering my question.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

I I don't know. And then, like the oracle, I'm like, I don't understand. Like, does she just have visions or does she have magic? Because why was her fucking cloak so clean? Like her red cloak after the fact. I was like, I don't know. It was very it was visually arresting, but at the same time, like, why can you clean us up too, lady, or what?

SPEAKER_03 31:39

She don't she says she can only do so much, you know. She just clean her shit up. She likes it.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Oh my magic is limited to me and my one little robe cloak thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah, she was the cleanest out of, she was she was she looked like she had just stepped out of a bath because they were all like covered in black shit, and she was just like perfectly fine. I was like, oh, okay. That's like okay. Well, maybe she re I don't know what she did, but she avoided it.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

I know, I do. So what we didn't say is after I guess after they escaped, the slaves escaped, because this scene happened back at the village that they live at. So I guess they went back to the village, and again, I I don't understand what the plan is, the geography and stuff of this place, it just it doesn't really make sense. There's a lot of nice set pieces, like it looks good, but how and when they're getting from point A to B is just like you can't think about it too much because it's it's gonna just confuse the hell out of you. Um, but he in he decides to go bury his mother, which I think was one of his motivations to going back home, I think. Yeah, and um he goes to bury her, and of course, the tomb that he buries her in, like the bow is kind of hitting in there as well, somehow sticking. I I I don't know how that worked. But he stumbles upon the bow and says, Okay, I guess the bow was here the entire time. No one knew it, but hair is the bull, so cool. Um now the minotaur, we're gonna call him I I have beasts, but it's a minotaur, we're gonna call it the minotaur. The minotaur somehow appears in the tomb, but like no one knew. Like, how did the beast get inside there? I don't know, and like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 33:23

I don't know. I don't know how yeah, you know, you should have heard like screaming and shouting as it ran in the same. I assume there's only one entrance out, one entrance, uh, one exit, one in, one out is what I assume is in there.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 33:40

Like, oh and you know, yeah, but no, and then he was like, somehow the minotaur sneak past him. Yeah, sneak past him, hiding in the shadows mysteriously, yeah, like this big ass shit. I'm like, okay, but again.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

So Theseus fights the Minotaur. Um, he holds his own

Slave Escape And Poseidon’s Wave

SPEAKER_00 34:00

pretty well, but he he is getting his ass handed to him. Yeah. And um luckily for him, the minotaur decides to hesitate or savor the killing blow. Because the whole time the minotaur is unrelenting and just like won't let Theseus like catch his breath, like catch himself, and then right before he finishes him off, he gives Theseus an opening to to you know counter and to come up victorious in the battle. And then he cuts the beast's head off, which that that was overkill. I don't understand. Well, I'm saying beasts, but this is a man, that's a big dude in a fucking cost in a helmet, right? Yeah, that's all this is.

SPEAKER_06 34:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

So he cuts his dude's head off, which is very brutal and savage. And then while this fight is happening, the rest of the guards reveal themselves to the Oracle and Stavros and the other guys, which I again I don't know how they just like came from the shadows and they just it later on when Theseus gives his speech, he's like, These are just men. And I'm like, dude, nothing that these guys have done so far indicates that they're just mortal men. Like the way they appear and the way they fight and stuff. It kind of seemed like they weren't, but whatever. They they showed up and and they immediately overwhelm um Savros and and and the others. Theseus exits the tomb. I guess the tomb was on a ridge away from the village.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

I don't know where the damn tomb was, to be honest. I have no idea. I can't I couldn't tell like what was happening at that point.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

Um you'd have the guy.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

There has to be two different I don't know. Anyway, whatever. He comes out because it sets up this cool shot where he gets to use the bull and uh he fires four shots off to kill kill the the the guards that had his friends captive. Um I don't know, was it just four of them or were there more of them?

SPEAKER_04 36:07

I thought there was more than the four, but I don't know where they went.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

I don't know what possibly happened to them. I don't know if they saw the ball and they were like, oh shit, and they left is an option.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

I guess.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

I don't know. This whole bowl thing was just weird because it feels like it seems like classic MacGuffin. Yeah, but it yeah, it feels like not anybody should be able to just use the boat. It feels like you have to be like anointed or worthy or something, but it feels like anybody can just pick it up and just pull back on it and mysteriously oppose it. Literally anyone, um, it's like, oh, that's it. This is weird.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Okay, that is it. I and I because when Theseus got it, yeah, I had that like, oh wow, he found this legendary weapon thing. I didn't even question his ability to aim those shots, you know. I'm like, yeah, like Theseus, he's that guy. And then we saw Hyperion use it later, and I was like, okay, well, I mean, Hyperion, I mean, he looks like he's been dabbling in some dark arts type shit, I guess. And then later when Stabros was later with his broken fucking leg, get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Okay, what the fuck was that? Alright, this is not a magical at all. Anybody can just pick this shit up, okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Anyone could use it, like, get out of here, man. Like, yeah, that I don't know, because they didn't really tell us. It's called the the Iperious Bow. And I meant to do uh a research on it to see what the lore is it about it, um, like in mythology, but the movie doesn't really it just tells us that it can release the titans. I guess it's all we're meant to know. Yeah, um, it just they kind of I don't know. It just it just felt like it was supposed to be a way more significant artifact, and it's it's just a key. It's a key. Essentially, it's a key.

SPEAKER_03 38:05

Yeah, essentially.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

I feel like anything could have released the titans, to be honest. Just like some explosives, and it'd be like alright, sure.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Expo well, I mean, explosive. Where do you get explosives from?

SPEAKER_04 38:16

Yeah, some gunpowder. They got gunpowder back then.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Gunpowder? What year do you think this is?

unknown 38:22

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 38:23

Gunpowder in the way we know it, but they got some shit. Make some shit up. Good for it. I guess.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

I guess.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

You know.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

So, okay, so after this happens, right? Um uh they all escaped. Uh Theseus wounded, but sure. And and the Oracle comes to like take care of him, right? This is what I wrote. This is what I wrote verbatim, right? I said, wait, are they about to fuck? I said, that's definitely against the wow, nice ass. That's literally what I would say. Like mid-type it. I was like, okay, girl. So then I was like, but I was like, can we wait till you save the world before you give away your ability to have visions, please? Like, what the fuck? I said, this is so I was like, you horny, selfish fucks. I get it a hundred I get it. Don't get me wrong. Like, look at her, look at him. Yeah, obviously they're gonna do it. But at the same time, we're in the middle of a war, and these like gods are about to be released and destroyed.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

You're the only weapon that has so far kept us alive with your visions. I'm like, oh, stand fast when the cloudless sky thunder, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, okay, so we obviously need your little tidbits, even if it's like pieces, it's still enough to help us, and you're just giving it up because oh, you're right. This isn't a a gift. I'm like, okay,

The Bow MacGuffin Debate

SPEAKER_03 39:45

well, you just need to hold on for like 20 more minutes, and then we'll be alright after this. Like, relax. It was so dumb. I was so mad at this. I was so so so mad at this part. I'm gonna be very honest. It just it just burped me. It was like, and yeah, I mean, him, you know, I guess he's just thinking with his dick at that point, so whatever. But her, I'm like, lady, that you've obviously probably been bred, you know, for this. Like, like this is your entire life. Like, you just like fuck it and give it up. Like, it made no sense.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Like, yeah. Ever since your foot brush brushed across me and I spit in your mouth, I just can't stop thinking of you. I'm like, dude, just relax. Just stop. Relax. Oh my god. It just fits just seemed to be. She's just decided that she's seen all the visions that can be helpful, and I'm good. Yeah, I've helped you enough. Yeah. So alright. So now we move to Mount Tartarus. Mount Tartarus. Where the immortals. So this is some Greek. This is not research. This is me going off on my Greek like mythology kind of knowledge I remember. But Mount Tartarus is supposed to be the prison of where like the immortals, like the titans, I mean, are supposed to be held. In this movie, they have it as there's this giant wall, um, and there's a uh shrine with a hidden chamber imprisoning the titans inside of it or whatever. But Tartarus, it's supposed to have the same effect, right? After that, like now they're like trying to find. I remember they got to where Hyperion was previously camped, but he already left because he's about to attack Tartarus. And they're like, Oh, I thought Hyperion was here. And my first comment was if only we had somebody that could see the goddamn future, right? That would be useful right now.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

Like, oh that's right.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

My bad.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

They they immediately ran into the problems of not having this oracle anymore. Like, come on, man. It was so short-sighted. And then they found her sister oracles. This is one of the darkest scenes of the movie where they had her in in the that it's called the brazen bull, where they they encased them in this bull.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

But they're encasing them and then putting it back.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

I don't know. Because it looked like the bull was already formed. I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

Is it like a back hatch or something?

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Like, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Fine. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

And then they they had this like rigged so that you could hear their screams coming out of it. I don't know. It was but it was dark. It was dark as hell. Yeah. Um, because the bull was over fire, so they're like they're being burnt on the inside.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

That was actually when they're in an oven being cooked alive.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Yes, yes, yes. So um, but of course, in the words of great General Admiral Akbar, it's a trap. Oh, you don't get that. I don't. Sorry. It's a Star Wars thing.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

General Akbar says it's a trap.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Don't. Just don't. Don't. Thanks. So then they're attacked, they're surrounded like right away. Well, the monk runs off. I don't know what that monk was gonna do. Why did a monk run off? He can't fight anyone because he can't commit violence. But he ran off. Well, he can't take a life. We don't mean he can like stop some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Um he could trip somebody and not kill them. Like, okay, oops. Oops.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

I don't think he can commit violence, is the is the thing here. That's the thing. He can't commit violence.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

I thought he couldn't take a life.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Yes, he can't take a life, including his own.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

So you think that he's allowed to beat the shit out of someone and just stop short of killing them? That's what you think um I mean, listen.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

We're in the middle of a war at this point, so you know. Oh, get a little great. We get a little loose and loosey-goosey with the rules there.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

I I I guess. I I guess. Well, anyway, he runs off, they follow him, they're surrounded. Theseus immediately drops the bow, which I mean, he just keeps dropping his goddamn bowl. Like, I'm like, dude, what this is our hero? What is happening? So the bow is stolen. Um by a hyena. By uh it looked like a hyena was gonna start.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

It's a fucking hyena, bro.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Like who's taming hyenas? And um to me, this was like a perfect opportunity for them to show us that Theseus is the goat, you know, he's the one, and instead the gods swooped in. Uh, I believe it's Ares and Athena swooped in. No, it was Ares. Ares swooped in Athena was there and just killed all of them. Well, she showed up after the fight was done. Um, Ares showed up, killed all those dudes. Athena came. She gave them two horses, and she said, the horses will run until their hearts give out. And my immediate response was, can you just give us horses that won't die? Yeah. Like, why? What the hell is this about?

SPEAKER_03 44:56

I mean, like an hour from now when they die of heat stroke? Like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 44:59

Oh my god. And then they literally showed us these horses dying. I'm like, guys, I do not need to see horses writhing in pain as they die. Yeah, that was such a weird thing to put in the movie, but they did it.

SPEAKER_06 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Uh, Zeus pops in and is super pissed. He kills Ares. Um, and um he he tells Theseus that you will no longer receive aid from the gods. You have to do this on your own, fight, or you know, do what you gotta do. I believe in you. And if I'm Theseus, I'm like, stop yelling at me, please. Like, I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

He was talking about like he asked for it. They they were just jumping in.

Oracle Romance And Lost Visions

SPEAKER_03 45:39

Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Yeah, oh my gosh, that was crazy to me. I was I'd have been so confused. I'd be like, why are you yelling at me? I don't understand who these people are, who you are. So I don't know that that happened. They hopped on the horses, they took off, and and they made it to Tartarus, where they had to convince the King General. Yeah, King Cassander, King Cassander that war is coming. He apparently did not he did not. He said, These just said, seal the gates and prepare for war. And my guy said to him, he said, I wouldn't I'm not seeking counsel from the an alluring palm reader and her peasant lover. That was a crazy fucking thing to say. First of all, it's true, Phaedra, they didn't even say anything, she was just there. Like, Theseus is like, dude, this has happened. I'm not making this up. I just don't understand why Cassander was not more receptive of what was going on.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Yeah, I mean, he was they kind of painted it like, okay, so they were fucking fuck. This movie was just weird. It was either, it was either everybody's all in or everybody's all out, and they just had this mixed bag of like people, some people are like, Yeah, this is it. Greek mythology, the gods, I believe it, and then other people were like, no, this is absolutely not. And you would think a king, a leader, would be on the page of gods are it and they exist. But he was He said it's a bedtime story. Yeah, it's a bet, it's a myth, it's a bedtime story. I don't believe you, you're just full of shit, essentially, and it's just like okay. Like, it just doesn't make sense with like how Greek mythology runs. And I know this is loosely, so maybe we're being, or maybe I'm being too harsh on it.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

It's just like No, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

You know, it just didn't make sense for him to like completely disregard that. Especially this the simple thing of like close the gates. It's not like he tells him to like follow me, take half your men and follow me. It's like just close the gates. And he's like, absolutely not. That's all I'm gonna negotiate peace.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Which, which you're at war, so you would do that anyway. You wouldn't. But why are the gates open?

SPEAKER_03 48:00

Like they're already attacking you.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

I agree. It's either we're in a world, a universe where gods exist, or we're not. And this the like, I don't feel that like we are so far away where it's like, oh no, it's just mitz and stuff. Because Hyperion, when the when his one dude came in, I was like, oh yeah, the gods came down and fought. Hyperion was like, God damn it, okay, cool. Alright. Like, he wasn't like bullshit, there's no gods, you know. So Hyperion believed it right away, yeah. But the good guys are like, oh, posh posh. Like, no, that's not, that's not. I don't know. I don't know. So they sent an envoy to me with Athenians, and they demand to speak to Theseus, and they said, Okay, why why would they let Theseus speak to him at all?

SPEAKER_04 48:54

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

I mean like they thought he was crazy, they didn't believe anything he said. Like, why would you let him deal with your negotiations? That didn't make any sense. Um, so he walks up to obviously Hyperion. I guess he's never seen Hyperion before, but it was crazy. He definitely saw him. No, he was wearing a mask at first. He saw him kill his mother. Yeah, he saw him kill his mother. So they they had a little conversation, and um um he tell him, yeah, like you know, open your gates, like let us in or whatever. And Theseus is like, no, I'm not gonna do that. I do have a question for you. What do you think about Hyperion's plan to release the Titans? How is that a good plan or idea?

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Yeah, I don't think it was a good plan at all. I don't I don't know if he was banking on if he released the Titans and the Titans won, then they would recognize that he was the one that released him and like favor him in some way. Because his whole thing against the gods is when his family was sick and dying, they didn't help him. So he's like, well, fuck the gods, and I'm gonna release the only people who supposedly can kill the gods, which are the titans. So okay, I'm trekking all of that. But first of all, these titans look like menaces. Like they weren't they were feral, they were like they were just they weren't they're not they didn't seem like

The Brazen Bull Trap

SPEAKER_03 50:09

people at that time or things that you could actually like you know um communicate with and and demonstrate with and uh whatever, like you know, have some kind of have some kind of actual understanding because like you know, they said they they were trapped for eons, so at that point they they've lost all humanity or whatever it is they had. They just look like they were crazy. So like I don't know, I don't you know, I don't know, maybe yeah. I I was tracking up to the point of how are you actually going to um like talk to the Titans and whatever. If if they won. If they didn't win, then it doesn't matter. But if they won, or maybe he didn't care, maybe he was just ready to wipe out everybody, like fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Including himself. He's just an agent of chaos.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

Yeah, AJ Chaos, like whatever, like this place sucks anyway, and maybe he didn't care.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Okay, I it would have to be the latter because yeah, I had the same questions. There's no way he could guarantee that the Titans wouldn't just immediately kill him and his forces, so that was kind of weird.

SPEAKER_04 51:11

I would assume they would take them all out if they won.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Yeah, and listen, man, Hyperion's army. So we had that over that aerial shot of Hyperion's army. Yeah, they were deep, uh, which was a very impressive shot. I was like, oh my god. I was like, yo, these they don't stand a chance. I mean, what like why do you even need to I guess to kill the gods? No, okay, but this also doesn't make sense because you didn't need the Titans to defeat the Athenians, they were gonna be cooked 100%. They they couldn't stand up against that army, yeah, right. The gods were never gonna interfere in the world.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

Supposedly, yes, exactly. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

You releasing the titans brought the gods down, but there was no real reason to release the titans. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

Alright. No, correct, 100% correct. If he had just left the titans alone, the gods wouldn't have gotten the permission for because he said in the beginning, the only reason we'll come down is the titans are released. So if he didn't touch the titans and just ran through the army, then he would have just taken over the world and you know they'd have known his name, blah blah blah, all the things he wanted.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

And even if he wanted the gods to be killed, he could have still finished the war, killed and enslaved Athenians, and then release the Titans in a controlled environment where he's not under siege and being chased and stuff, where he can have his army lined up and release the titans and then have that negotiation he was hoping for, or stand there and watch the gods come down and get killed by the titans. This whole plan is garbage. It made no sense.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

It wasn't a good plan at all.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Alright, so let's get to the the the meat and potatoes of this whole of this whole you know battle, the movie, right? Which is Theseus' speech to the Athenians.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

That shit wouldn't have done shit. I'm gonna be honest. What?

SPEAKER_00 53:08

So you didn't feel it?

SPEAKER_03 53:09

I did not feel it. Get out of here. I did not feel it. I'm sorry. I didn't feel it.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

I was locked in. Stand your ground. Fight for honor. Fight for the man beside you. No, fight for those who bore you, fight for your children. I'm good, fight for your future. Fight so your name survives. Fight for immortality. No? Damn. Alright. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 53:39

He didn't do enough to like be the one, you know? He just showed up. We just hated him a second ago. It's not like he didn't do anything to like prove, like, oh yeah, this is the guy I should follow, other than he just stood up on a wall and started shouting at me.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

It's his courage and his unwavering demeanor in the face of sure defeat, which rallied the men to his side and inspired them to go into battle.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Why didn't why when once um once Theseus turned around to like head back, why didn't Hyperion just kill him right there? Because he walked all the way out.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Because it was a peace envoy? I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

He didn't come for no fucking peace.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

There was never gonna be peace. Why did he let him walk away?

SPEAKER_00 54:27

He had an olive branch. There are rules of engagement.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

They've ignored all those rules from the beginning. When he walked into the monk's temple, they're like, hey, this is sacred ground. You can't do this. That's a war crime. He said, uh, fuck you, and he lit a monk on fire in the middle of the temple. So he didn't give a shit about peace or the rules. So why did he let him walk back?

SPEAKER_00 54:50

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 54:51

Well, I don't know. I I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I don't appreciate you distracting away from the speech and my amazing um recanting of it. But anyway, I was locked in. I got chills. I was like, yes, let's let's effing go. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

I was going to say, the reason why I asked that, and I'm gonna give some credit to maybe that where is where um they started to see him as

King Refuses To Believe

SPEAKER_03 55:20

more than just a guy, more than just a man and a leader. Because I I kind of ignored that part. But he did face, you know, that army by himself. He walked up by himself. They were like, hey, yo, once you leave this gate, we can't protect you. He was like, anyway. And he kept walking. And he talked to him, he came back, and they all like parted to see, like parted ways as he was walking back. Um, after again, he had to like forcibly drop the gates because they were ignoring him again, still, but okay. Um but I don't know. I fine, fine, fine. I'll pick up my board, fine, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 55:58

So here's my thing though. I did love the speech, I was ready to fight. That being said, he's lucky he didn't break or roll his goddamn ankles when he jumped off the the the ledge that he was talking from. How did he jump up there? I don't know, but he did, and then he got back, he just maybe he jumped up. I don't know. Again, I thought he was superhuman and he's not. So, how did he jump down from there? Listen, I would have imagine giving I give that rouse in speech, and then I jump down, break or roll my ankles. I'm like, ah, ah, ah, ah okay, all right.

SPEAKER_03 56:36

Like, hold on. Immediate everyone's like, oh fuck this, we're out of here.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Are you are you okay? I mean, yes, yes, I am kneeling to the gods. Just give me a moment. Give me a moment. Why are you crying? I just I'm weeping with joy and excitement at the fight that's to come.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

Can somebody help me up like that? That would have been bad. So then after that, they're like, he did tell them, yo, they're the tunnel, like then he said the numbers don't matter with the tunnel. Which is 300, which sounded which sounded correct in the moment, but yeah, it was a 300 um reference, yeah. Which they died and lost by the way. So, but then they immediately walked into the tunnel though. So I was like, shouldn't they have stayed on one side of the tunnel and allowed them to funnel through and should they have met them in the tunnel, fight them in the tunnel? Was that the right way to go about that?

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Yeah, because yeah, they should have met them at the front of the tunnel, not at the back end of the tunnel, because yes, not the back, the front of it, yeah, and stopped them from coming.

SPEAKER_00 57:50

Yeah, yeah. So, especially given there are fucking stairs in the tunnel that goes to the top of the wall. Yeah, why is that unguarded? Why was the shrine unguarded? I don't know. Why was the king unguarded? Why was the king up there? So they fell back way too far, allow the enemy in, and allow the enemy to get to their king and stuff. His woman was up there too in the shrine. Like the speech was cool, but the execution of this battle tactic was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

I mean, he wasn't a he wasn't a tactician, like he wasn't a general, so but then as soon as but King Hyperion with the boat with the first thing, they knocked out the walls and they were like, oh no, all the commanders are dead, and then they ran away. I was like, oh, okay. Why are all the commanders standing right in the front like that?

SPEAKER_00 58:44

If I was Hyperion, I know that's weird. If I was Hyperion, the commander should have been on top of the wall watching to see what was going on. I don't know why they'll be down there in the tunnel anyway. Yeah, but if I was Hyperion, I was firing another shot right down the middle.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

I don't know why he would drop the bow and then throw men in there. As soon as the ball broke, I'm firing. And it was like unlimited bowls. I was just firing shots in there. Like what?

SPEAKER_00 59:07

Unless does the bowl pull from your life force? Man, I wish I had more this bowl.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

Like, I just I mean, maybe that that'd be it. That'd be the only reason to limit the use of otherwise, you're just immediately fire, fire, fire, fire. It's like unlimited.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

We saw Theseus fire four shots immediately once he got the bow in his hands, you know. So I guess it, I don't know. So the battle is happening. They immediately broke formation too as they reached the the the Hickelian um army.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

But again, cool action shots, cool fight scene. This is the best scene. Another um, yeah, another tracking shot where Hyperion, not Hyperion, uh Theseus was just going ham in a tunnel, just you know, cutting dudes up. Uh when he was trying to get to the stairs as well with Stavro so they could follow Hyperion. I I don't understand how Theseus was this great hero because he kind of failed at every notion. The army was downstairs getting slashed to bits. They were never gonna win. Um, it would just take longer. They slowed down that large army outside, but they they were not gonna win, right? Right. He allowed the titans, or he couldn't prevent the titans from being released. So that's another L. And now the gods have to come and get involved in in the whole fight. So and he lost Stavros in the process. So it it was looking bad for our guy. When the gods showed up, they had a very cool entrance, and they even they were piecing up the titans one time like in the in the very beginning. I I typed, I was like, but the titans are this easy to kill. Like, what's the big deal? Yeah, and then I realized the problem with the titans is the overwhelming number, which were they multiplying? Because I didn't think there was that many.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:56

Yeah, it looked like a growth of like I mean, maybe you kind of just maybe you couldn't see the whole box or whatever. I don't know. I guess a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

Poseidon himself killed Poseidon, he was close to being the MVP of that fight. He killed a bunch of them, and Athena was getting busy too. Um, but for some reason it just they kept coming, they kept coming, they kept coming. The that scene ended with Zeus pulling down the statues. I guess he buried the titans. Which, if he could have always done that, why didn't he just do that from the jump? Bro, why did he think that they could find the wheel?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:31

Mother Bro. When he fucking when he fucking like destroys the uh the Epreus bow, I was like, why doesn't it even exist then? Why didn't you just destroy it?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:43

Well, did he destroy it? I just thought he pinned it to the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

No, it shattered.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

Oh, I didn't notice it was shattered. I saw the outline of it in the rock. It it and the hammer was stuck there. I thought it was pinned into the rock so that the Titans couldn't get to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

No, I okay, maybe it shattered? Okay, I didn't know. I saw I saw the shit shatter. It like it broke up into like little black pieces and fell down. Um, because he he slammed it with um Ares Warhammer.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

Aries hammer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:12

And I saw it like break. So I was like, okay, well, why the fuck didn't you do that in the first place? Why does it exist? Why didn't you just break it?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Why, why, yeah, what are you doing? If it can be broken and there's no repercussions to breaking it, just break the key. Furthermore, why is it on Earth? Why is it not an Olympus with the gods?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

I don't know, being you know, protected, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

What the fuck? Listen.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:35

And then, yeah, this whole thing he pulls up and all the statues fall down. I'm like, okay, so if they could just be buried and not come out, then why the fuck are they

Hyperion’s Titan Plan Makes No Sense

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

in this box fine with the yeah? Why? Why?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

I it just it undercut like everything in the movie, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

And I first I thought at first I thought he was gonna like give up himself. Like, okay, so all the gods and the titans are now buried. I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Buried, sealed away. I thought, well, okay, before he before I realized when he twisted the handles on the box, I thought he was giving up his life force to like re-imprison the Titans and it would have trapped the Olympians, so all the gods would have been like stuck in some like supernatural prison under there. Then I saw the chains come up. I was like, okay, something else is happening. And then I saw the statues coming down. I was like, okay, so I guess he's gonna bury all of them under there, and then they teleported out of there. So I was like, wait, you could have just come caved in the whole mountain and pieced out and not have any of this happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:36

So why are you finding them? What was the point?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:39

He could have just dropped on the box, had the five or six uh gods just surrounding him so they didn't like immediately attack, pull it up, drag him down, and then everybody shit off and then be like, okay. Teleport, but that's it. Nope, nope, nope, nope. We lost half the gods. I guess he could he could well, Zeus could always make new gods if he wants, so I guess I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

I was like, yeah, can they be reborn or something?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Yeah, he's supposed to be able to do that. I don't know about reincarnation, but I yeah, that's a great question. I have to it's been such a long time since I really paid attention to it. I know he can make new ones. I don't know if he can make like another Aries, another Poseidon. I don't know if he could do that, but supposedly he can make whatever he wants. Whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Alright. Well, shifting attention back to our main protagonist.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

That's why he's getting ignored. Because he weren't doing shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

Hey, listen. Friggin' Hyperion was touching him up. Like, he immediately stabbed him as the battle started. And I was just like, dude, first of all, what pissed me off is that when he was when he recovered from the shockwave of the the Titans being released, his first thing was to take his armor off. I was like, why would you take your armor off? He immediately, when he fights Hyperion, he gets stabbed in the gut. I'm like, well, if he had some armor, he might have been fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:03

Oh my god. Or if you had a girl that could tell you, like, hey, you're about to get stabbed in the stomach, maybe you'd be like, oh, maybe let you keep the shit on, but nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

That that whole thing, um, I don't even know what to say about that fight. He won, but barely. Yeah, but barely. Like he he lost, okay. He he lost that fight. He was able to not trick, yeah. I guess he tricked him. Hyperion got a little boastful, and then you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:30

What was that that he picked up?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:32

Um no idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:34

Okay, cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:36

Shrapnel? I I don't know where it came from. What was that? I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:40

It just it was just conveniently at his knee, but it never they never showed the track of like something falling and landing there, and like, oh, okay, at some point I know this is gonna play a part. It was just like conveniently at his knee. And I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:53

I like, what was that? No idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

But he he gets to uh wound him and then he kills. In the embrace that um the seer saw, Phaedra saw.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, and don't get me wrong, the fight scene was pretty good. It was the choreography was really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was it was a good fight scene. It's just Theseus was losing the whole time. Yeah, so I guess with Zeus bringing down the mountain that wiped out the enemy army.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

It did, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

But it didn't collapse on the side with the Athenians.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

It didn't, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

Oh, okay. So that's how they won.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

Um so Zeus saved the day, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

Yeah, Zeus actually won. Zeus was the whole point. He just pretended it was Theseus, but it was actually just Zeus.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

Yeah. Because uh even like what does that legend say? What is that story? Because they they made a statue of of Theseus and everything, and so it jumps to like an epilogue, which is I would say about eight to ten years later, because there's a um a young boy, more than eight years, yeah, about ten years later, because there's a a a young boy who's revealed to be Theseus' son with Phaedra. And we're watching there's this

The Rally Speech Argument

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

I like that name. Akamas. There's this marble uh statue that is depicting it's cool, there's depicting scenes from the movie that happened, but which is supposed to be a telling of Theseus's uh legend, his story. But I just don't want to understand what was his story, like what did he accomplish?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:30

Did he I guess he did kill him, you know, Hyperion, so I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:37

Yeah, they don't know that. For all they knew, that both Hyperion and Theseus were killed in the collapse of the this is very true.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:44

This is very true. Unless like Phaedra saw it and then like got out of there. She doesn't have visions, I bet she literally saw it, not as a seer.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

She thinks she thinks that Hyperion and These are under their hugging right now. That's what she thinks. Also true.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:07

Also true.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

Well, you know, that the they always say um the winner gets to tell the story, so you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:15

That's true. That's true. And if if I'm the Athenians, I'm gonna tell everyone, yeah, Theseus killed his dude. Yeah, you know. And then so how do I explain that that landslide? Is it the gods? Was it Theseus? Was it just a lot of things? These did it all.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

Nope, Theseus did it. He killed he killed Hyperion and then re uh, you know, magically uh brought a mountain down, yes, to trap the titans.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

Sure. Sure. So right, um, so yeah, so Theseus ascends to Olympias, uh presumably to become a god now. His son lives on with Phaedra, they live in some other hellhole, and um it looks like the same village where he grew up, which I don't know why Phaedra would live there. That's it's not a good place to live, guys. Like anyway, um, and then there's this this huge statue, and the old man returns uh to to creep on Akamas and tell him, Oh, I knew your daddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

Don't do that for us again.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

Oh my god. Oh, I knew it, but he was a little boy. Sorry. Anyway, um, and he foretells that Akamas will be important in the wars to come when the gods may need his assistance. And that is the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Before we go, just quick. I seeers traditionally are always women. Oh no, Akamas has visions.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

And that's the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

Okay Did you did you not hear that? I did hear that. I did hear that. I apologize. Carry on, carry on.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

I intentionally yes, okay. So what really how it really ends is that Akamas sees a vision of like his father, the gods fighting, I guess the Titans again for fighting some other war.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

Yeah, it's the Titans and Theseus and Olympians fighting now in some other battle.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

Alright. Let's rate this thing. Rate it for any newcomers. We rate our movies based on five categories plot and writing, acting, casting, production and cinematography, music and sound, and cultural impact. Everything is rated on a scale of one to ten. Jill, what do you have for plot and writing?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

I have a two.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

A two, okay. I'm not gonna go too deep into it because we already talked about it. Yeah. Um, I have a three for the

Battle Tactics And Tunnel Chaos

SPEAKER_00 1:11:00

plot and writing, so I'm not far behind you. Acting and casting, what'd you put?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:05

I strong cast. I I really like Mickey Rourke, I really like Henry um Campbell as well, and um um Luke Evans, thank you very much. So strong cast, I give it a nice seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Yes, I have a seven as well for the acting and the casting. All right, production, cinematography, and visuals.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

Visuals, again, pretty strong there. Um, so I actually give it a nine.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

Oh, okay, very nice. I have an eight for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:34

Again, that we spoke about it. That's what brings you to the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:37

Yeah. It dropped down for me. But yeah, a solid nine, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:49

Music and sound. What do you have there?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

I didn't really get much a lot from the music in the movie. Um, the shit was loud, to be honest. So like I had to turn my shit down outside.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

But it was loud, but um what that critic Roger Eber, I think his name, yeah. He was like the sound was just unrelenting, like in his like crit critique of the movie. Oh, okay. He was not happy with the sound either. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

Two.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

Yeah, two, damn. Okay. I have a five for the music and sound.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:16

Okay, three, three, three, three.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Yeah, not that there was some great, I guess, score or like catchy theme, but I don't know, man. Like these types of movies, I want it to be loud. I want to feel the music, like I'm feeling the action and stuff. So it did that. It probably was a bit over the top, which is why I don't have a higher score, but I just have it about middle of the road as far as like what you would expect from one of these types of movies. So that's why I landed with a five.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

I expected a stronger soundtrack or or or or music throughout the movie to like help drive the journey, but I didn't really get that. Like it just like comes inherently with like Greek mythology and those kind of like the heroes journey, and I didn't really get that. So that's why it's a little lower. Plus, it was loud as shit. So that's why I'm at three. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

Um, finally, cultural impact. What do you have there?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:09

I mean, it's it's not gonna be pretty. It's not gonna be pretty, I'm sorry. It's not something that I hear about a lot. I know you, you know, you you and your partner had talked about it, so that's how you brought it up, but I didn't actually know this movie existed. They're not really sticking to Greek mythology to like, you know, the core itself, other than some names here and there. So I gave it a four.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:35

A four? Um, that's exactly what I have too.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

Oh, okay, good. I thought I thought you could be like way higher.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:40

So I was like, ah shit, but nah, I flirted with giving it a five, actually, because again, I'm crediting this movie. So like when people see like Man of Steel or if they watch The Witcher and they see Henry Cavill. Like, when I see Henry Cavill, I'm like, when I first saw him in Man of Steel, I was like, oh, that's the dude from Immortals, you know? And so I have that through line, and like Henry Cavill has become a very successful, he's a very good actor. So um, I'm crediting so his cultural impact is all resting on the fact that Henry Cavill became so successful after this movie. So that's the only reason. But outside of that, you're right, it's a lot of people don't speak about it. Um, even my two buddies I'm talking to, like that's a small niche of people, like collection of people. And I do wish the movie was more after watching it, rewatching it this time. I wish it was more true to the Greek mythology, just more heavy-handed in the let's just tell a story about Greek mythology. And they didn't really do that, so that's that's a little disappointing. Yeah, so final scores is you have a five, and I have a five point four.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Okay, I think five is a nice middle of the road movie. It's not a visually, it's not a bad movie. The the the story just yeah, they they jacked that up, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Funny enough, it has a 50% on rotten tomatoes for for whatever that's worth. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:05

So we're right along with the regular people then.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

Yeah, the consensus is that it's cool, but you know, uh, yeah. Well, that will do it for our Real Talk and Banter on Immortals. To connect with us to give us some feedback or just say hello, email us at real talkbanter at gmail.com. That's R-E-E-L Talkbanter at gmail.com. Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:29

All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine.

The Messenger’s Eyes Postscript

SPEAKER_03 1:16:14

Um why why uh Hyperion duged out his eyes? Like I was like, What? He was just delivering a damn message to you, letting you know, because he was like, he could have not said anything. He's like, hey, you know, if if the men hear about this, they might, you know, tuck tail. He's like, nah, you're right. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Nah. I'm with Hyperion 100%.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:36

Why?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

If you were that messenger, were you not gonna tell? Like, if I was that messenger and you out there in the ranks, I'm gonna come in and be like, hey, Joe, hey, listen, man. I was with these guys at the thing. Fucking gods came down, slaughtered the whole company. Like, I don't know what's going on out here, but we're fighting gods now. Like, that shit was gonna spread through the army immediately. 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:58

This is true.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:59

100%. Now, did he have to gouge out the eyes? He could just cut his head off or stab him or something. So the way he killed him was a bit much, but killing him was obvious is definitely the right way to go. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

I mean, it's not like he's probably the only person with that information at this point. Like, it's definitely already spreading.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:17

I think he is because so everyone, so everyone that was there died. The only reason he knows is because his bird told him. Okay. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, fine, fine, fine. So now we're assuming he didn't speak to anyone before he went to Hyperion.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

Because again, as I get back to camp, my bird gets back to camp. I'm like, oh shit, man. I got to Hyperion, but this fuck fucking gods came down. Man, I'm gonna let you know how it goes. And then when you realize I got killed, now you're gonna be out there telling people, hey, yo, I think Hyperion killed Omari because I done like that's what would happen. 100%. Definitely. Okay, okay, fine, five percent. All right, um.