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When Science Outruns Humility What Breaks First: Jurassic Park (1993)
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A dinosaur theme park sounds like pure childhood wish fulfillment until you remember one detail: it’s built by humans. We’re revisiting Jurassic Park (1993) with grown-up skepticism and the same wide-eyed awe, and the result is a Real Talk and Banter-style review that praises Spielberg’s craft while calling out every safety red flag on Isla Nublar.
We dig into the stuff that makes this film legendary: the mix of practical effects, animatronics, and early CGI that changed visual effects history; the massive box office story for a $63 million production; and the way John Williams’ score turns simple shots into permanent movie memories. Then we jump into the debates that only get louder with age, like whether the CGI still holds up, why the park’s security design feels cursed, and how the movie’s best scene might be the dinner-table argument where Ian Malcolm lays out the ethics of genetic engineering and chaos theory.
We also get into the messy fun: Nedry’s sabotage plan, the “embryos in a shaving cream can” logic, the kid survival moments that feel impossible, and the iconic set pieces that still deliver tension on demand. Finally, we score the movie across plot and writing, acting and casting, production and cinematography, music and sound, and cultural impact, then compare our totals to the rest of our rankings.
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Welcome And The Podcast Premise
SPEAKER_06Hello and welcome to the Real Talk Advanter Podcast, the movie podcast where we discuss and review films that are at least a decade old. I'm Omari Williams.
SPEAKER_05And I'm Jay Richardson.
SPEAKER_06And today we are discussing the 1993 original film classic. That is Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_05Alright, let's talk about it, guys. One of the biggest movies ever made, Jurassic Park, directed by Steven Spielberg, right? Based on a novel by Michael Crichton. Uh Crichton?
SPEAKER_06Creighton?
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna go with Crichton.
SPEAKER_06You'll be wrong, but sure, go with that. No, no, go with that. Is it Crichton for it doesn't even sound like a word anymore. You're saying it too much. Just let's just move on. It's C-R-I-C-H. That's Crichton. I know, I know how it's spelled.
SPEAKER_05Alright, whatever. Creighton.
SPEAKER_06You don't say Bordeaux is Bordeaux.
SPEAKER_05Okay, moving on. He's not Danish. Fucking Michael. It's Bordeaux, it's French.
SPEAKER_06What the fuck? What is happening?
SPEAKER_03Bordeaux is Danish. The Denmark people.
SPEAKER_06Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_05You know what? Bordeaux might be different. So let's get back. This film combined practical effects. We have animatronics, CGI, some horror that turned into laughter as I get older, uh, action, adventure, in a way that has never really been done before. This movie
Budget Numbers And Box Office Shock
SPEAKER_05costs about 63 million dollars to make. Do you know how much it grows worldwide?
SPEAKER_06I do. You know box office numbers are my jam.
SPEAKER_05Damn it. I was hoping to stomp you. Whatever.
SPEAKER_06Oh, no, get out of here. Give it to us. So well, is it a trick question? Because are you going off of its original release or its re-release numbers?
SPEAKER_05The original release.
SPEAKER_06So about 912, 914 million dollars.
SPEAKER_05I got a billion.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's because of the re-release of 2013. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it it had become the highest grossing movie up to to date, up uh, up to that time in 1993. And then, of course, was surpassed by Titanic and so forth. But yeah, no. Um I don't even know how much money this franchise has made, but just the movie alone. Oh my oh my gosh. Billions, billions and billions.
SPEAKER_05I was I was actually surprised when I saw that billion number. I was like, really? I mean, it was I was too.
SPEAKER_06I was two because movies weren't making a billion dollars in 1993, but even the 900 million dollar number, that's high as hell.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, for a 63 million dollar movie that looks like a 63 million dollar movie. Like so, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_06So that is
Practical Effects Versus Early CGI
SPEAKER_06something that didn't age as well for me. Um because I do remember it would be looking awesome, and it definitely won a lot of awards, some for its its special effects and everything. Yeah. Um the CGI does not hold up. No, it does not. No. Um, any of the animatronic scenes, perfect, gold, beautiful. I love it. But the moments when there were CGI, I had to stop and I stopped and Googled. I'm like, did they fucking remaster this and replace like added CGI to this movie? And at least Gemini told me nah, that's not the case. Like they have not altered this movie in any way, even when they're re when they re-released it. So yeah, it's just, you know, we're looking at 90s CGI, which was groundbreaking at the time, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to remember.
SPEAKER_05I have to remember this is 1993 and for its time, hell yeah. But right now, it's like, what the fuck? But you know, it's fine. It's fine. So uh so we talked about Steven Spielberg.
Spielberg Hits And Money Trivia
SPEAKER_05This is one of his highest grossing movies. Actually, it is his number one. Can you name the other four top grossing Steven Spielberg movies?
SPEAKER_06Oh, I was not ready for this.
SPEAKER_04Um got your ass.
SPEAKER_06Damn it. Okay. I have a Spielberg tab opened, and I just never made it over to him in my research. Um, E.T.
SPEAKER_05E.T.'s number two. Look at you.
SPEAKER_06Nice.
SPEAKER_05At 793 million. Okay.
SPEAKER_06Uh Spielberg, Spielberg, Spielberg. Um Dang it. Give me some hints.
SPEAKER_05Uh without saying the answer.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, duh. That's what a hint is. What the heck? Um You know I'm not good at hints.
SPEAKER_05Um Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones, yes. Which one?
SPEAKER_06Oh fuck.
SPEAKER_05This one came out in 2008.
SPEAKER_06Oh, really?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Shit. I was gonna say Raiders of the Lost Ark.
SPEAKER_05Not that one.
SPEAKER_06No. Um I don't even know the name of the one in 2008.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I'll give it to you anyway. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. That's 791 million. What's number four? What's number four? It's a sequel.
SPEAKER_06Um a sequel movie. Spielberg did a sequel movie. Um Is number five Jaws?
SPEAKER_05Number five is not Jaws now.
SPEAKER_06Damn it. Okay. Uh sequel movie. When when did this come out?
SPEAKER_051997.
SPEAKER_06Sequel movie in 1997. Um I need a hint. I need a hint.
SPEAKER_05It's a sequel of the movie where I was.
SPEAKER_06I was gonna say, is it is it fucking Lost World for real?
SPEAKER_05It is Lost World, yes.
SPEAKER_06Damn.
SPEAKER_05619 million in 1997. Uh Steven Spielberg is a walking bucket. This man makes money.
SPEAKER_06Damn.
SPEAKER_05And then number five. This one came out in 2005.
SPEAKER_062005. What was happening in 2005? Um is it it stars Tom Cruise. Is it is is it?
SPEAKER_05It's stars Tom Cruise.
SPEAKER_06Oh shit. I was gonna say Ready Player One. I was like, I hope it's not that. Um, hell no. Tom Cruise. Uh is that is that Edge of Tomorrow? Did was Tom Cruise? Did he did Spielberg do that? No.
SPEAKER_05No, it's not Ed of Tomorrow. But it does involve some aliens. It's War of the Worlds, War of the Worlds in 2005, $605 million.
SPEAKER_06Damn it. Alright, Spielberg. Make that bread.
SPEAKER_05Man's is a walkie bucket for sure. For sure. One more for you.
SPEAKER_06Does he keep all his do you know if he keeps all like does he get merchandising rights and his stuff, or does that go to the studios?
SPEAKER_05I have no idea. But it makes sense for him to forget that rights, but I doubt it.
SPEAKER_06It wouldn't make sense for the studios, though. No, it wouldn't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I mean, maybe like a piece of it, not all of it, but like he gets like 10 cents on a dollar or something.
SPEAKER_06That's still a crazy amount of money.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06For like TV Indiana Joe, Drastic. Like, let's like come up with it. Exactly. All right, what's the other trivia?
SPEAKER_05Steven Spielberg was working on an additional movie while editing Jurassic Park that also came out in 1993. What movie was this?
SPEAKER_06Wait, that was in '93. Schindler's List came out in '95. Was it Schindler's List? No.
SPEAKER_05It is Schindler's List, yeah.
SPEAKER_06It is Schindler's List. Okay, okay. I did see that he got the right to do that, but they said the studio said you need to finish Jurassic Park first. Before you can do Schindler's List.
SPEAKER_05So it came out in '93, though. So I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, I thought I thought it came out in '95 for some reason, but I did see that he was um instructed to finish Jurassic Park before Stindler's List. So that's why that was my guess. So yeah, alright.
SPEAKER_05Look at you. Your research paid off. You did well.
SPEAKER_06Ha ha ha.
SPEAKER_05I give you 80% on that.
SPEAKER_06I'll take it. I'll take it.
SPEAKER_05I mean, I get F straight up, so yeah. I suggest you do take that. Um, I've never seen Schindler's lists, but you know, maybe it'll pop up here. I don't know. It's pretty aggressive.
SPEAKER_06I know, it's heavy. I I mean, I know we know what it is and what it's about.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, I don't feel like dealing with that.
SPEAKER_06And listen, for anyone that may be offended, I haven't seen 12 Years a Slave either for the same fucking.
SPEAKER_05I also have not seen 12 Years. I refuse to see it because I just don't want to emotionally deal with that. I refuse to see it. Like I understand, and it is, you know, it tells a story. I just refuse to just with that right now. And it's been out for like years, and I still haven't seen it like I know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, people are within Oscars and stuff for this. Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_05You just have to have been an emotional capacity for those type of movies, and it's just like, nah, bro.
SPEAKER_06I rarely I'm rarely in that space. I'm rarely in that space.
SPEAKER_05Who's in a space for slave and Holocaust movies? Like, are you getting jollies off? Like, what is that?
SPEAKER_06Um, the fucking Oscars.
SPEAKER_05I mean, they have to watch it though. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but they don't have to award all these fucking black trauma and and and slavery movies with fucking Oscars all the fucking time.
SPEAKER_05Right.
The Park Pitch And Rich People Logic
SPEAKER_05So we have a story following billionaire John Hammond, played by Richard Addenborough. I'm guessing he's British. I don't know. Probably. Who creates a dinosaur theme park on a remote island using clone dinosaur DNA extracted from a mosquito that trapped in amber? Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
SPEAKER_06But sure, yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_05Butts, butts. You know, I don't know why rich people can't just like do rich people normal rich people shit, like yaks or something. Like, why are we resurrecting extinct apex predators?
SPEAKER_06Why are we doing this? I mean, I think this is normal rich people's shit, man.
SPEAKER_05Like, we literally have fucking beyond rich people's shit.
SPEAKER_06We have basils and shit like playing around in space. Like, they're literally just launching people in space for the fuck of it. Like, that's rich people's shit. Like, just doing shit because you can.
SPEAKER_05Fine. I guess. I don't know.
SPEAKER_06I just I this isn't it.
SPEAKER_05This is a difference between like launching a space shuttle, which okay, maybe the space shuttle blows up and it takes out three people, or you release apex predators and they take over the entire world.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. You're right. It is nuts. It is pretty nuts.
SPEAKER_05We also have Sam Neil, who uh is Dr. Alan Grant, um uh Laura Dern, who's Dr. Ellie Settler, and Jeff Gulblum, who's my favorite of all time.
SPEAKER_01Of course, of course, as Dr.
SPEAKER_05Ian Malcolm, who pretty much spends the entire movie trying to warn everybody that something horrible is about to happen, and they can't. I know.
SPEAKER_06And then they're sidelining them for like the last third of the movie or something.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they just they're like, all right, you have too much sense, so we're just gonna like injure you and throw you in the back of a truck.
SPEAKER_06Too much fucking swag, too. God damn, just dripping with charisma.
SPEAKER_05He was that that water, that water scene, it'd have got me. I'd be like, okay, give him my number.
SPEAKER_06Give him my number. I'm like, hey bro, I get it. Dude, I'm like, Dr. Grant, like, say something, man. He was right there. Just buckle right there.
SPEAKER_05He was just with it.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god. He was giggling and then later on, later on, he's like, Is um, is Ellie, is Dr. Sadler seeing anyone? And and Grant was like, Yes, she is. He's like, Oh, you? Oh, okay, my bad.
SPEAKER_05I'm like, I mean, you never would have known it. The fact he let his woman's hand is get correct like that.
SPEAKER_06Like, it's way too late for that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, if she already slipped in his number, it's too late. Even if y'all survive this, she's not yours anymore.
SPEAKER_06But you know from the fucking hair pull when when he started that whole scene, he like posing her hair. I'm like, all right, goddamn, this guy's in his bag. And Dr. Grant's just sitting there, like, ooh, look at the dinosaurs, guys.
SPEAKER_05Right. I was like, well, yeah, something's about to be extinct in here. It's crazy. All right. So we let's talk about the opening scene. Well, it was a telltale sign of this shit needs to be shut down immediately. Like, they have no controls over the dinosaurs at all. All the security, all the zap them, all the shoot them they had, and they still had somebody get murdered. And where's OSHA with the leader? Where is OSHA? Where is OSHA?
SPEAKER_06They probably have jurisdiction, I guess.
SPEAKER_05In case you haven't seen the movie, I assume so. That's why they have like these random, like uninhabited islands that nobody cares about out in the ocean, where you know, it's like maritime law, maybe. I I don't know. Where nobody's really controlling anything, so you're not in it, you're not under any jurisdiction at all, but you're just kind of doing whatever the hell. So yeah, the movie starts out with a Volosa Raptor immediately killing our worker in front of everybody. Everybody's screaming and trying to hold on to him. He he uh he he gets he gets dragged, and they say, you know what, it's gonna go time to introduce kids to this. Um that's what happens for the next two hours, guys.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So I guess this is why also the staff had been reduced, right? Because when when um the events of the movie are actually taking place, like the bulk of the movie, we just have a few people working in the lab. We have Dr. Wu, we have um Samuel Jackson's character, we had Dennis, and then you had that security guard guy or whatever, whatever that dude was with the gun. But it was it was like a bare bones, like a skeleton crew operating the park, which also seems like a big red flag.
SPEAKER_05No, see, I don't see and the writing is a little jerky here or junky here because before you got to that skeleton crew, you had when they were on the ride when they first got there, you saw a lot more workers, a lot more scientists kind of doing things. I think what happened is they evacuated the island because of the incoming storm.
SPEAKER_06Storm. You're right. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_05But also, storms generally don't just appear. So they must have known the storm was like coming or you know, forming.
SPEAKER_06This is bad, this is bad planning.
SPEAKER_05This is why would you bring the people there at this time to then do this this whole evaluation thing?
SPEAKER_06My only thing would be they because they were trying to meet whatever deadlines for the evaluation.
SPEAKER_05Fine. But why bring your children there as well?
SPEAKER_06Oh, that makes no goddamn sense. None whatsoever.
SPEAKER_05None whatsoever. I mean, they didn't have a deadline. You're right, you're right. They were like saying like the investors wants a response in like 48 hours, so they had to kind of like hurry up and do it. Fine, but why bring your children into this skeleton crew manned, dangerous island that just murdered a man in front of everybody's eyes. It's not like he disappeared and everyone's like, well, what happened to Max? Like, nah, Max got eaten. Like, why would you do this? I don't understand it. Um, yeah. So, so, so guys, this this is what happens next. So, after the the workers murdered, the investors start freaking out a little bit. They're like, hey, this doesn't seem like a good idea. We need some sign-off here. So they decide to employ uh
Meet The Experts And Character Vibes
SPEAKER_05Dr. Grant and Dr. Settler and Dr. Malcolm, uh Ian. Yeah, Dr. Malcolm, I think. Is Ian Malcolm or Malcolm Ian?
SPEAKER_06Ian Malcolm.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so Dr. Malcolm, thank you. Um, to go into the park and assess whether or not it is fit for, I guess, humans to actually be there and be a part. Guys, Jurassic Park is supposed to be kind of like a theme park, like a Disneyland, but with dinosaurs. So that's what's happening here. Um there's a scene that gets me that is bothering me a little bit. Uh I'll see if you maybe you saw something that I didn't see. So when they try to convince Dr. Hammond and Dr. Sattler to come in to assess Dr. Oh, not Dr.
SPEAKER_06Huh? Grant and Sattler.
SPEAKER_05Oh, I'm sorry, Dr. Grant and Dr. Sattler, thank you. Hammond, who's the the billionaire, um, shows up at their trailer. Right, right. Because what the fuck? Because I was like, they so the he they saw the helicopter, they ran over to the helicopter. Yep. The helicopter starts to land, they say, hey, he's a he's they're you know, start pointing to the trailer, and then they get in and fucking Hannah's in there. Like, did he repel on top of the fucking listen?
SPEAKER_06I have these same helicopter things in my fucking notes. I'm like, so I'm like, did he did he drive up there? Like, did he like did he use a helicopter to distract and announce his arrival at the same time, but like draw he drove up there and then snuck in the trailer because he sure as shit did not arrive on that helicopter. We all could agree with that.
SPEAKER_05I I don't understand what was happening, but Hammond is also their boss in a way, right? So whether or not they wanted to, they kind of had to do it. So uh they decide um that they will go help and they will go visit the island and see what it's about, and of course they also want to see dinosaurs' existence because they're archaeologists.
SPEAKER_01100%.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they're archaeologists, they they've devoted their life, you know. They're they're just they're crazy about bones. Imagine seeing the real life thing in front of them. Let's talk about the the characters. So Grant is a nerd, right? Which is a good thing. Nothing wrong with being a nerd.
SPEAKER_06He's a nerd, he's a nerd.
SPEAKER_05Jesus likes digging.
SPEAKER_06That's not an accurate portrayal at all, but okay.
SPEAKER_05Okay, fine, whatever. Calm down, Ross. You know.
SPEAKER_06Okay, alright.
SPEAKER_05All right, but he's so weird around children. Like, what was that?
SPEAKER_06It's not he's weird, he doesn't like kids. Why would he like children? Like, why I don't understand.
SPEAKER_05What would you mean, like he was so weird about children?
SPEAKER_06He does not.
SPEAKER_05Like, I mean, I'm not a fan of kids either, but I'm not about to, you know, stab one with a claw and tell him how I'm gonna gut his gut him, gut him.
SPEAKER_06He did, I did write down how we explained described to that kid about being mimed and disemboweled by a dinosaur. That was tough. That was but who but but to throw him some bail, who the fuck invited that kid to that dig site? Yeah, where'd that kid come from?
SPEAKER_05On a dig site, yeah. Nah, it wasn't. I assume that's that was good.
SPEAKER_06Someone's kid? No, I was like, is it like a field trip? But there was no other kids there, so that's not the answer.
SPEAKER_05I assumed it was somebody's kid, and they're just like, eh, I don't have babysitting. Can my kid come along? Like, I guess.
SPEAKER_06I mean, uh we're just playing in the dirt, it's fine. Yeah, right. Listen, when when Ellie said, um, because Ellie and and Siler and Grant were talking about kids afterwards, and he's like, oh, kids. And she's like, Oh, like, what's wrong with kids? And she's like, he's like, Did you not just see what just happened? And she's like, Well, I don't want that kid. That fucking me out. She was like, No, I want my own well-adjusted child.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh man.
SPEAKER_05Alright. So, so you know, Hammond convinces them, slash, they had no other recourse. They had to go. That's their boss, right? So they they're now on the way to um Isla Nubla. Nubla. There we go. Isla Nublah. You know what? Nurla sounds better for me, so I'm just not going with that.
SPEAKER_06Um that's it's objectively wrong, but okay. Well, hold on. Before we get to the part.
SPEAKER_00Oh, what?
SPEAKER_06Like you forgot the kneel drop, man. That's when the score fucking hits.
SPEAKER_05Oh my gosh. John Williams is iconic in everything he does.
unknownHuh.
SPEAKER_05100%. You can't you can't beat it. You know when that man is attached to a movie. Like it is soaring. I'm sorry. You're right. I apologize. That that was my bad. That initial uh helicopter scene, um, but the soaring music is is worth it for sure. So bringing that out.
SPEAKER_06I have God this score. You know, I I just wrote that in my notes because yeah, it hits you hard. And this is right after so they met uh Malcolm, Dr. Malcolm, which I was like, why is Dr. Malcolm here? I didn't know. I really actually didn't know why he was there. Even Hammond was like, I brought some freaking scientists, and you brought this guy, like what like to the lawyer, and the lawyer was like, Oh, he's an expert in math and chaos. But like, I don't know why he was the expert to approve this situation, you know? So that was kind of I've never questioned that before, right now. Yeah, um, and don't get me wrong, like, please, yes, Dr. Malcolm, be in every movie you can be. But that was it kind of doesn't make uh any sense given his profession. He's a so he's a he's a mathematician and a chaos theorist, which I don't even know how far along chaos theory was in the 90s, but I I don't know, like I guess he's talking about the likelihood of the shit shit in the bed, I guess.
SPEAKER_05I guess.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, probabilities and whatnot.
SPEAKER_05So we we have a bunch of things happening all at once. They're introducing a lot, but it's not too bad. It's not like overwhelming, but you're you just have to kind of track all the things that are
Bad Safety Planning And Worse Science
SPEAKER_05happening. You have a potential dangerous situation with the park in itself. You have this incoming hurricane. Uh, we also have a a subplot of one of the workers.
SPEAKER_06Um, nothing plot line. Like it doesn't go anywhere.
SPEAKER_05They tried to go somewhere with it, but I mean, I guess it's it doesn't technically go anywhere.
SPEAKER_06The chaos. Um, we never follow up with it. They I don't think they ever they never found out he was a traitor and that he had stolen samples and that he was gonna sell them to someone. Like that they never figured that shit out.
SPEAKER_05But yes, so if if you haven't seen this movie, which I assume most people have, but if you haven't, Dennis is the the character we're talking about. He has he feels like he's not being paid enough. He has some kind of money problems they hint at, not exactly sure what, but he asks Hammond for money. Hammond says, That's your problem, don't ask me for shit. So he decides he's gonna steal the embryos of the dinosaurs and then give it to some sort of competitor. Competitor paid a couple million dollars for it, which I don't think that's nearly enough, but whatever. I guess he was I guess he could be bought that easily, like no. But either way, he he uh what I think it was 1.5 million.
SPEAKER_06Is that not is that not enough for you to commit corporate espionage?
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_05For dinosaurs?
SPEAKER_06No.
SPEAKER_05Not just like, hey, here's a piece of paper. A piece of paper is 1.5 million.
SPEAKER_06Not right now. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no? Okay, no, not for embryos, not for dinosaur embryos, like extinct dinosaur embryos, that's 30 mil minimum.
SPEAKER_06And he was so excited to commit that espionage. Like he was like all giddy and stuff. I was like, dude, keep it in your pants, man, chill out.
SPEAKER_05Alright, so they enter the the uh they enter the uh park and immediately they are faced with a bunch of gigantic dinosaurs just roaming around. And I I kind of questioned that as well. I'm like, okay, I get it that maybe they had like NDAs for the workers, or maybe they were buying things through shell companies, and the the the geographic, I assume the geographic isolation of this island is uh Nublar is enough to maybe avoid some detection, but you tell me nobody flew over this fucking island and saw gigantic ass dinosaurs just roaming around?
SPEAKER_06Like, oh like you're in the Pacific Ocean. Like, you tell me China doesn't have that place. China didn't see that shit. I was like, uh, what the fuck are you doing? Come on, bro. So those fucking dinosaurs, why don't we have dinosaurs? What is going on?
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_06Nah, you're absolutely right. Like, politically speaking, um some other countries would have definitely picked up on that. And like at least we send in spies in there to see what's going on, you know?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, some flyovers, some boats, yeah, Russia. Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense that they were able to keep it a secret. So so yeah, so they're they're they're kind of amazed, right? So they're I forget what the long no uh long necked dinosaurs are called.
SPEAKER_06The brachiosaurus.
SPEAKER_05Thank you. Yeah, they run into them, right? And that's when the again John Williams comes in with his soaring score, and they get to see them all, and you know, everybody starts to believe, even the lawyers like we're gonna make a killing off of this. It's it's really it's going really well, right? At the same time, as all these things are happening, we're noticing very quickly that there's some some cracks in the security around the dinosaurs. Um, the way they've been breeding them, uh, the way they've been securing them, it's all being controlled by this one singular computer program, right? Yeah, true. Um right, right, exactly. It's all being controlled by this one computer program. Um the one that Dennis, I guess, helped build or built in general, um, and is trying to circumvent so that he can feel the embryos and all that stuff. Um but here's the thing that also kind of bothered me. I love this movie to death, but I'm gonna point out the things that bother me as I watch it older. Like you said, they were they were engineering everything down to the last finite detail. I wanted to say detail, like British wise, but I didn't. I really wanted to say like finite detail, but as I tried to say it, fucking detail just came out. I was like, don't be stupid. I was like, whatever. Anyway, why are they breeding poisonous plants and poisonous dinosaurs to like why yo, yo, I have that too.
SPEAKER_06I'm like, okay, cool, doing a dinosaur thing. Why recreate a deadly poison spitting dinosaur? There's no fucking reason for that. There's none whatsoever.
SPEAKER_04There's no reason.
SPEAKER_06That is such a fucking hazard. You're adding a fucking projector, dude. That's like when you see a roach and you're like, oh fuck, a roach, and then it flies and you're like, oh, what the fuck? It's like, dude, you're adding such a crazy uncontrollable variable. Like it changes the whole calculus of what you're dealing with there.
SPEAKER_05The one dinosaur got into the foliage, the the the Caribbean lilac, I think she said, or something like that.
SPEAKER_06Some some type of lilac thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and they're like, oh yeah, we know they're poisonous, but the animals don't eat them. She's like, Are you sure? Like, yeah, pretty sure.
SPEAKER_06I know he went from for sure to pretty sure, which was like, dude, my my note too on this whole thing was that well, first of all, when when Dr. Wu stood up, I wrote motherfucking BD Wong. Like, this is BD Wong. He's come so iconic to his franchise. Um, but yeah, my thing is why is he being so snarky about an all-female group of animals not being able to reproduce? There are so many fucking aquatic and marine animals that are are are sequential hermaphrodites, is what it's called. Where when you have a whole group of females and one of them um changes sex so that they can reproduce. Like that is something that exists in fucking nature today. As a damn scientist, as a geneticist, I would think he would be aware of that. And especially if you're splicing all kinds of aquatic and marine life forms into your fucking dinosaurs, dude. That that's the one thing that my freaking childhood mind couldn't know about. But after many years of National Geographic Animal Planet, I'm like, yeah, Dr. Wu is ridiculous here. He was such an asshole for no reason.
SPEAKER_05100%. 100%. I have that, I have that exact note. I'm like, I know that room is full of PhDs from Harvard, Yale, Oxford. You know, I know these people have bucko's of fucking knowledge, and no one sat there and said, Oh yeah, frogs change sexes. Perhaps they'll do that in the wild. Like it was like I was like, what the fuck? I was gonna say, you know which one really threw me? Clownfish. I didn't know clownfish did that until like freaking finding Nemo, and yeah, the mother got eaten. So the dad technically became the mom, but it never became a big thing. Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06There's that dark theory that goes around that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Clownfish do it, parrot fish do it as well. I think I feel like there was a snake that does that, but I I could be be wrong. Um like there's so much outlandish and so weird and strange and amazing things that happen in the animal kingdom. And Dr. Wu is all like, it's all women. Like, what are you talking about? I'm a dude, shut the fuck up. There um Malcolm has a line that he says, he says the lack of humility before nature that's being displayed here staggers me. Dude, he's just firing bars. The
Dinner Scene Ethics And Chaos Theory
SPEAKER_06scene, one of my favorite scenes in the movie, now being older, is that scene when they're all having a meal and they're all like talking about what they're like contemplating the ramifications of what they're doing and so forth. And Malcolm leads most of the conversation, and then Sadler and Grant chime in towards the end of it, but it's pretty much between Malcolm and and um oh gosh, whom boy Hammond, Dr. uh uh Mr. Hammond. But he's like, dude, genetic power is the most awesome power the planet has ever seen, but you wield it as a kid who has found his dad's gun. Like, come on, man. Yeah, like you guys are scientists. Science better, man. Like, that's that's all I have to say. Just science better.
SPEAKER_05We always kind of forget to to do the basic question of and he says this um, you know, not can we do it, but should we do it? And the answer is no, we should not introduce apex predators to our world. Like, no, we don't have the capability to if this if these things fly off, which they eventually do in Jurassic World, like you know, there's nothing we can do about it. We're just getting picked off the street. Like, yeah, what are we gonna do? The park itself was just designed by somebody who hates human safety. It's our vehicles like they either they either don't lock, so then you could just jump out, or they do lock, so then you're trapped inside of the car. Like, I really don't actually know what is the better answer. One last thing, and then I swear I'll get back to good things. But one last thing that bothered me was this freaking uh shaving cream can that was supposed to hold embryos for 36 hours in a cooling, some kind of cooling mechanism. I'm like, that's a fucking lie. There's no way that small ass can has enough power battery to cool embryos to the level that they need to be so that don't they don't degrade, you know, and you know, it has to be kill themselves or whatever they do, you know, once they're no longer viable. I'm like, no fucking way. That can died in two minutes. There's no way I just let it go.
SPEAKER_06I mean, moving magic.
SPEAKER_05All right. But to achieve this, while everything is going on, we have the we have uh
Dennis Sabotage And Systems Go Dark
SPEAKER_05Dennis stealing embryos, we have the the uh the the the uh tropical storm happening, we have this review happening at the same time with the experts to make sure it's safe for people to actually be there. Part of the plan of Dennis getting his stuff is he needs to shut down the system in a way that no one else can reboot it so that he could then steal the embryos. But instead of just shutting down the one singular room, he decides to shut down everything for some reason. I don't know what that was about, but okay. And oh what? Did I miss something?
SPEAKER_06Oh, no, he didn't. I just I heard you say to explain Dennis's plan, and I'm like, oh great, someone can make this make sense to me. Because I was like, what the fuck? Like your plan is to endanger everyone that's there, and like that. I don't know. I didn't understand it when he said it, I didn't understand when he did it.
SPEAKER_05Um so yeah, he shuts down all the systems, so now there's no security systems as far as the electrical, the electrical fences are down, the doors are all like you could just push the door instead of it being locked. Like, you know, anything that was keeping these dinosaurs from just wreaking havoc is now just gone, and we see that immediately. Um we see the T-Rex. One of the most iconic scenes which pissed me off, too.
SPEAKER_06Why did that piss you off? Get out of here.
SPEAKER_05No, no, wait, what?
SPEAKER_06You were saying the T-Rex uh reveal pissed you off?
SPEAKER_05No, no, no, not necessarily his reveal, but kind not his not his reveal. Like, that's awesome. Just what the fuck they were doing in the cars pissed me off because Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Go ahead. I'm listening.
SPEAKER_05Little Lex, little Lex, so I'm sorry. So at this point, the the kids are on the island now, they're part of the tour now. Um, Lex is there, everything's shut down. They're kind of like sitting around, like, what's going on? They start hearing a thump and a thump. And the lawyer guy's like, oh, maybe the power is trying to come on. Maybe like what the fuck?
SPEAKER_06That fuck down. I was like, you idiot.
SPEAKER_05Sounds like that. That's a fucking footstep, bro. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_06Like that statement, right? That statement made me question like wherever gaps may that I'm sure exist in my knowledge. And I'm like, what scenario could this lawyer have ever been in where power was restoring and he's hearing menacing thuddin sounds, and he's like, Oh, yep, there goes the generator.
SPEAKER_05Like, what's that generator kicking in?
SPEAKER_06Maybe if he was like at the bottom of like a naval sub or ship or something, but you were outdoors in the open. Get out of here, dude.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So we're hearing gigantic steps, and uh, yep, idiot lawyer uh says it's the power coming around, but it's not. It is the T-Rex strap in. T-Rex emerges and immediately starts cutting the line with his talons. So, which was funny as fuck, to be honest. Like these dinosaurs are smart. Yeah, these dinosaurs are smart as hell.
SPEAKER_06I mean, yeah, because you would think that dinosaur expects it to be charged with electricity because they had to have tested it before and were like, ooh, god, nope, not touching that. So, what made T-Rex think, ha ha ha ha ha fuckers? I'm out of here. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He saw the blue light go off. He's like, ah, I gotcha. Like, what the fuck you know what a blue light is? But they did say, they did say that the Velociraptors, they have to start feeding them in a certain way because apparently they were attacking different spots on the fence to see if there was weak spots and all like that. What the fuck? So they're making them like they're already like making them like, hey, these guys are super smart, and they're figuring out they're figuring out our technology faster than we're adapting to control it, is obviously what I'm seeing here. Like, come on now.
SPEAKER_06Um, yeah, that's ridiculous. It's crazy.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_05Even the fact that they brought the the one female uh velociraptor on on the island, and it immediately killed six other ones, and they weren't like, hey, we should probably put that one down. Like, why did they keep it?
SPEAKER_06Let's not have velociraptors.
SPEAKER_04Also, that was one option.
SPEAKER_06Because Grant was like, You're breeding velociraptors? What the fuck? Why would you do that? Those will be like the ultimate hunters. Uh, which which we know now is not true. Right? You know this, right? Yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah. The the Deinonicus is more of what they base these Velociraptors off of with a sickle claw and all that bullshit. But anyway, whatever. For the sake of this movie, it's menacing to see the claw. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, and I guess dynamicus is not as cool of a word of Velociraptor, so yeah.
SPEAKER_04You like Velociraptor, you're like, oh fast.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. The Dynanocus? What?
SPEAKER_05Anyway, okay, Dino Nuggets. I'm like, what is that?
SPEAKER_06So we're gonna talk about the Velociraptors as if they're 100% factually correct. Just get that out of the way. Anyway, but yeah, so I don't know, like, why are you breeding Velociraptors and it immediately kills somebody and you're like, this is still a good idea, right?
SPEAKER_05I mean, accidents happen. I'm okay. Once it got introduced to like the I guess the pack, I'm not sure what they call a group of velociraptors, but whatever, we'll say pack. Sure. And started killing them off. How do you not remove it?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like lethal. Like you gotta, I'm sorry, you gotta fucking.
SPEAKER_05You have to kill it. You have to kill it. Like, I'm sorry. I love animals. You have to kill that animal.
SPEAKER_06You cannot let they fucking kill Harambe. Like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_05Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, Harambe. I'm just making a return. Okay, that was that's COVID. That's that's elite COVID right there. Okay.
SPEAKER_06They put Harambe down, man. But they let these velociraptors run around. Come on, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And I understand, like, I assume obviously each one of these animals is probably tens, if not twenties, of millions of dollars, but it's killing the other ones.
SPEAKER_06So it's a risk to you losing all your millions because now your park is not safe, it will never open, right? So you have to, like you said, cut that loss and just think about all the millions you're going to make with a successfully opened park that is safe to attend because there's no fucking psycho genius level dinosaurs running around opening doors and bullshit. Like, get the hell out of here.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Personally, if I were them, I would just like to the best of our knowledge, I would just breed the most docile, just plant-eating dinosaurs and be like, all right, that's it. I mean, yeah, they're not super exciting, but I mean it's still like so.
SPEAKER_06I thought about that too, right? If I went to a dinosaur park and there were no fucking T-Rexes, would I be happy or would I be a little shit?
SPEAKER_05Like, eh, where's the T-Rex? Like, I don't know, man. So T-Rex arrives. Um, Lex makes uh the lawyer immediately says, fuck them kids. Which appropriately so. Appropriately so. Like, hey, that's not my kid. It is what it is. Sure. He leaves the kids there. Lex and her brother, whose name I don't know. What's his name? Max?
SPEAKER_06Tim or Timmy.
SPEAKER_05Yep. Lex also does nothing except for she freaks out because you know they see the T-Rex. She decides to pull out a gigantic flashlight and turn it on and start waving the shit around. And I was watching it and I was like, this is worse than fucking Spider-Man Spider-Man call. Like, like, like, what the fuck is this? Like, what are they doing?
SPEAKER_03Why is she doing this?
SPEAKER_04This is like, come eat me, come eat me. She was come eat me.
SPEAKER_03It's weird.
SPEAKER_06So, but during this scene, weren't you also I thought you were also gonna comment on like what the fuck was Malcolm and Dr. Grant doing?
SPEAKER_05They were staying still, like they were supposed to.
SPEAKER_06Stop before that happened, man. I feel like there was a delay in them noticing the dinosaur, the T-Rex.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yes, I do have that written down. Uh they they they were super shocked when the fucking T-Rex approached, and I was like, if they heard it, they also had to hurry and felt it. Because the cars are like 20 feet away, maybe 30 feet away, maybe. Like, there's no way they were so shocked to see the damn T Rex appear. Yeah when we've already known the T-Rex was here, like I don't know, like the full two minutes.
SPEAKER_06When the lawyer ran over, they was like, Where's he going? I'm like, are you so I'm like, are we supposed to believe that visibility is low because of the storm? So they didn't see the 30 foot T Rex come out. And start attacking the other car, or I don't know.
SPEAKER_05You know what? That that's actually a I think I think that's what we're supposed to believe. Like because technically the power is out, right? Yeah. So it's raining hard, the power is out, can't really see.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05But we can see because otherwise it'd be a dark ass movie in which we'd be like, what the hell is happening? So Okay.
SPEAKER_01All right.
SPEAKER_05I I assume that's what's supposed to be happening. Right. But if it's so dark that you can't see a 30-foot-ass T-Rex, there's no way you're seeing a man run past you either.
SPEAKER_06Oh fuck. I see you just blew it the fuck up right away. Look at that. Look at that. You just blew it up.
SPEAKER_05So again, so we're just in full chaos at this point. They're fighting dinosaurs and a storm at the same time.
SPEAKER_06Um, I do want to
T-Rex Set Piece And Survival Nitpicks
SPEAKER_06track how many times Tim died in this movie.
SPEAKER_05What do you got?
SPEAKER_06Well, the first time was when the T-Rex flipped the car on them and it should have crushed.
SPEAKER_03Should have been crushed.
SPEAKER_06Crush his little body.
SPEAKER_03Fucking legs were crushed. There's no way. He's just like, oh, I'm stuck. I'm like, fuck you. You have no legs right now.
SPEAKER_06You are dead. Paraplegic at best, okay? So that's one. The second time is when the T-Rex threw the car over the cliff into a tree. Again, your little body is shattered. You're dead, Tim.
SPEAKER_05It should be.
SPEAKER_06Okay. It should be. The third and final time is when this boy took 10,000 volts of electricity through his little fucking childlike body and flew off the fucking fence. That boy should have died.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so I did question that as well, but you have to think about the fence. Like the fence itself, yes, 10,000 volts is a lot, but it's your amperage that's really is supposed to kill you. So I think that those gates didn't have enough power and they should not have worked, is what I think. Oh like I think those are good enough for humans. Like, because even stun guns, they could get up to 10,000. Like the ones they shoot you with, like police. Tasers get up to 10,000.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_05Like, yeah, stun guns and tasers, they could get up to 10,000. You're fine as long as the amperages are high enough. I think that those gates weren't doing shit personally.
SPEAKER_06But it was bleeding through his ears and shit. And he did, his heart stopped for a little bit. That's a reviving. So it's not like they shook it off, but I just thought it was a little ridiculous that he even came back to life. But I hear what you're saying. So okay, all right, it's fine. It's fine.
SPEAKER_05Uh the other thing that happens where I'm like, what the f what the hell? Um like you said, Tim is up in up in the trees. These trees gotta be like 30, 40 feet up in the air. How the hell did uh Dr. Grant climb that tree? I don't know. Spider-Man? He just did it. What happened? He said it's just a tree.
SPEAKER_06It's just a tree. It doesn't matter that it's a 60 million, 65 million year old tree. It's just a tree.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of crazy things happening, but it's still a great movie. Like the Spielberg is so great. Like, there's so many just random things that you're like, what the fuck is this? But at the same time, you're like, this is amazing. And as much as I am like, I'm intentionally pointing it out because I'm really I'm gonna score it really high, but I'm gonna bash the shit out of it because it's funny. Because now you think about it, it's funny, but it really is just a great film, and it keeps you engaged the whole time. Um so while all these things are happening with the kids out in the jungle with Dr. Grant, you have Ellie who had stayed behind to help a sick dinosaur. Um, so she's kind of hanging out with Hammond right now, and they suddenly start talking about Jurassic Park and how they kind of didn't take responsibility. And I was like, Ellie, you've been there for like 10 fucking hours. Like, this is not your responsibility. Like, she was like, what are you talking about? You didn't build this, you didn't know it existed. I was like, Why are you such a woman just taking responsibility? I'm like, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_06I know, I know. I was I was such a forgot how she even got inside. I thought she was out in the field still.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, she was all of a sudden just in the computer room. She was dry. So she got there before the storm even started.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, because uh she and um the one dude who she was working with, where she's like, Oh yeah, I'll drop you off before I go to the dock. But right before that, then made the announcement. Yeah, five minutes, the boat is leaving. I'm like, there's no fucking way. He dropped her off and then made it to the dock, unless the dock is less than five minutes away, which again points to what was Dennis doing.
SPEAKER_06Why do you need 18 minutes or whatever bullshit he told the spy dude? I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, give me give me 18 minutes, give me 18 minutes. I don't know what to do. Give me 18 minutes. He's like, I don't know what to tell you. Captain said, We gotta go, we gotta go.
SPEAKER_05I was like, it makes no sense, but whatever. Alright, we have uh the kids are outside battling for their lives with uh Dr. Grant. Uh Settler is inside, dry, safe, but contemplating her her uh complicity for some reason, which makes no sense because she had no idea this was happening. So weird on her. Just got here. Um what else are we doing right now? So the community systems are still freaking down, but we still we barely talked about Samuel O. Jackson, who's in this movie.
SPEAKER_06I know, I know, I know.
SPEAKER_05Uh smoking a cigarette being Samuel O. Jackson. I know.
SPEAKER_06All he does is smoke a cigarette, says hold on to your butts twice and just you know, kind of be cool and then dies off screen, by the way. Like, get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_05Uh see him die. I don't know. Just see this weird ass plastic hand, like eventually, and I'm like, okay. It looked real, it looked bad. Yeah, that can look plastic as shit. Yeah. I was like, Jesus Christ. Did they run out of money at that point? They're like, oh, we don't know how to make a black hand, so uh here it goes.
SPEAKER_06There it is.
SPEAKER_05Oh my god. The they turn on they they get to this the uh the little uh uh server room or breaker room that houses all the breakers, they turn on all the breakers, that's how Tim gets electrocuted, and they they were able to uh turn on most of the um facility things except for the security because uh Dennis's program is still working.
SPEAKER_04Um, what about the kitchen scene? What do you think about the kitchen scene? Uh uh Should those kids be dead?
SPEAKER_06And with the raptors?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh, that shit's iconic, man. I loved it.
SPEAKER_05I know, it's I know you loved it, but should they have survived?
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, man. They're stupid fucking animals. All right. We're the apex predator. Always. Oh.
unknownOh, okay.
SPEAKER_05Well, I watched a dinosaur open a fucking door and just like, so I don't know how true this is.
SPEAKER_06I'm sorry, if you opening doors as a dinosaur, that means you you over here throwing knives at me and using weapons and shit. Like you over here calculating the you know, trick trigonometry and geometry and everything. Ain't no way I'm gonna outsmart you if you can do that. So yeah, nah, those kids should have died 100%. Yeah, but 100%, but still they so they tone down, and I don't know if the kids died in a book or not, or whatever, but because I I I did hear you say the book is long, it's 400 pages. Like, oh my god. So they only translated about 10 to 20% of the novel into the movie, you know? Yeah, uh, and it tone down a lot of the violence. So I don't know, maybe in the book those kids got ripped to shreds. Who knows?
SPEAKER_05We have all those iconic scenes happening with the the kitchen. Uh the kids are fighting for their lives, uh, the adults are also fighting for
Raptors Vs Humans And Lex Hacks
SPEAKER_05their lives. Eventually they all get into the visitor center where the movie kind of started. Um, and they somehow to I ask to maybe they work out, maybe they don't, I don't know. But somehow they're able to fight off uh blasteraptors who are trying to push through a door. She's the one you don't think a blasteraptor is stronger than T humans?
SPEAKER_06No.
SPEAKER_05Okay, you heard it here, folks. So uh so fine. Uh so humans win in this version, so fine. So they're pushing that door, trying to keep him out. At the same time, Lex decides that she's a computer genius.
SPEAKER_06They talked about it in the woods. There was one line of dialogue where the kid was um said, Oh, you're a nerd. And she's like, No, she's like, he said that, oh now Lex is never gonna want to do anything after this experience. She's gonna sit in a room at her computer, and she's like, I'm not a nerd, and he's like, Yeah, you are, and she's like, I'm a hacker. That's what I prefer to be called. And I was like, I remember the time being like, what a random like set of dialogue, and then at the end, I was like, I was like, Oh, it was to set this up, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, okay. See, I missed that. She's a random fucking hacker. Like, where did this come from?
SPEAKER_06But she talked about it. Poorly, they poorly planted that seed when they were walking through the forest. I don't know why, because from the jump, we knew that Tim was into dinosaurs reading books and stuff. They like they forgot to give Lex any type of character background information until they were like, shit, she's gotta save the day. Uh, let's make her into computers. Well, how do we work that into the story? I guess she and her brother can argue about it quickly. Done. And that was it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So Lex, so they had the computer engineer there, the system engineer there, they all couldn't figure it out. Lex looks at it and was like, you know what? It's all this. And 20 seconds later, she finds the file that she needed in the mil the what is it, two million lines of code. Oh, she finds a file she needs, and then immediately shuts it off and say or turns it on and saves today essentially. Which really?
SPEAKER_04Are we gonna believe that?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I don't yeah, well you know what? I did not connect the two million lines of code thing from earlier to this little girl. I'm sorry, this little hacker girl being like, I got it. I got it, guys. I got it. Because and it was funny too, because she's like, Oh, I think this is it. Oh no, that's not it. Uh oh, here it is. I don't know. I guess I guess she was smarter than Samuel Jackson, and I guess Samuel Jackson was the only other one on the computer after Dennis left.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, yeah, I guess after Dennis left, but still. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_06So, really quick to answer your question, because remember, Velociraptors are small as shit in real life. However, the Dinonicus, which it is actually modeled after, those can weigh between 130 to 220 pounds. So I stand by what I said. Two humans.
SPEAKER_05So I guess two humans could push back 100% a 220-pound person. But what about muscles?
SPEAKER_01Hey man.
SPEAKER_05Like if you're 220 pounds, a pure muscle.
SPEAKER_06There's quick twitching your fucking ankles, pushy. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, hey man, I don't Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.
SPEAKER_05They did it. They did it. They did it, they close the door, miraculously. Lex finds the correct file that's been corrupted, fixes that, and they lock it. Okay, cool. So how go go go go go go.
SPEAKER_06And then it just jumps through the glass anyway. Dr. Grant shoots shotgun shells at the fucking window, and when you looked at it, that's not from a shotgun, man. Like those bullet holes are not from a shotgun. So it got a little wonky there at the end. Um yeah, it really did.
SPEAKER_05Yep, yep, yep, yep. So the raptors, uh, because they're just hellbent on eating these people for whatever reason. At this point, I think I'd be bored. As an animal, like, all right, y'all, y'all too much. I think I think they were fucking with them.
SPEAKER_06No, I think they're fucking with them. I mean, their whole life is literally just running around. There's not really, they're not allowed to hunt and shit. So I I think they were just I think they were getting off on it. I think they were sickles. Because when you looked at the one scene, listen, we we skipped over my guy, uh, one of my favorite lines from the movie when um homeboy with with the the rifle is out there trying to hunt the raptors, and uh the other one flanks him, and he's like, Clever girl. Good girl. Oh, clever girl. Damn it, you fucked it up. Oh, good girl. What? Clever girl, okay. But after the one that flanked him attacked him, the other one that he was looking at just stood there and watched. I was like, what kind of sick fuck is this? Like it never came over and joining killing him. It just it literally just stood there and watched. So yeah, like the raptors were into voyeurism, and who knows what other sick shit they were into.
SPEAKER_05Alright. So the the Raptors are on a on a list somewhere, some kind of FBI list because they're sick o'clock. So they were definitely on the island. You heard it here from Amari. They were definitely on the island for sure. Um you heard them here first. Raptors are also in the FC files. Um so the Raptors, they corner everybody in the visitor center.
Visitor Center Showdown And T-Rex Rescue
SPEAKER_05Death feels inevitable, and suddenly the T-Rex crashes in out of nowhere. With that iconic roar.
SPEAKER_06Walk the fuck in. But no, the T-Rex just walked in. Like, there's like a T-Rex-sized door for him to like enter that fucking facility. Like, what?
SPEAKER_05That's why I said he fucking crashed in. They just didn't show it, but the man crashed in. Because there's no way to get into the center besides walking through the walls. So fine.
SPEAKER_06Oh, and then we got a realistic dope T-Rex versus Velociraptor fight.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we do, we do. Yeah, yeah. One uh T-Rex grabs the one uh Velociraptor, the other Velociraptor, the other Velociraptor is like, oh hell no, not my boy.
SPEAKER_06I know he tries to do his thing and that has to be the sicko voyeur one because after Jill, the two of us are out here, man. We scrap in, you know, we're fighting somebody, and a bigger dude comes in and just folds you in half one time. I don't know that I have the heart to immediately rush in. Oh my god. I need to regroup and plot and figure out how to get my lick back to avenge you. But to just rush in right away, I gotta be a sickle for that shit, man. Like, nah, that's not helping anyone. I'm just gonna die immediately and now what? There's no one there to avenge you. Nah, that was crazy work. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05This is fair. I I wouldn't be mad about it. I'll be watching you be like, you know what? That's fair. That's fair. Man, man's pick me up on my neck and snap my neck. Like, oh shit. There's not much you can do. Like, oh I'll be right back. You know. You gotta pick up a weapon at that point. Hopefully you have one. But you know. Damn. Um so yeah, yeah, the rappers, uh lost rappers try to try to do their thing. T-Rex reign supreme as they always do. And uh we have the big iconic scene of the roar with the welcome to Jurassic Park falling around him, and you know, everything's everything's corporatic all of a sudden. I don't know why. Um we have the the helicopter is still sitting there? Like what was the helicopter doing this whole time? Where'd it come from?
SPEAKER_06Um, well, okay, they called it in. Remember after they got the phones working, after Lex cracked the code, um, the phones were working, and Grant called Hammond and said, call the helicopter. From where? I don't know. How fast does a helicopter move? I don't know. How close by? I don't know any of these things. I do know he said to call the helicopter, and the helicopter came.
SPEAKER_05Okay, alright. That's fucking GTA level helicopters arriving. Okay, cool. Um, completely absurd, but completely perfect. Jurassic Park works. I mean, I I loved it from beginning. I'm tearing it up because it's funny to do so, but I loved it. The the size made no absolute no fucking sense. It was just all over the place, but whatever. Security system, laughably terrible, safety protocol, non-existent and designed by a maniac, but just the movie understands you know, you have spectacle, you have tension, you have wonder, you have this new introduction and the fun of watching a dinosaur. Uh for those of us who are interested in dinosaurs, and those who aren't, I mean, it's it's still amazing in this world anyway, to see something brought to life that had died 65 million be 65 million years before we even appeared, before we were even a thought. You know, we had these things that were ruling the world. So you had these two things that were kind of shoved together and see what happened. And it was complete chaos, but I enjoyed it.
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SPEAKER_05So um, that's all I got. What do you got?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so one of the things that we did not talk about um with the movie is that childlike
Childhood Wonder And What Still Holds Up
SPEAKER_06wonder that was present in here. Um for me, when Dr. Grant and Dr. Sadler first encountered the dinosaurs, it gave me chills. And it took me back to oh my gosh. I I don't obviously I wasn't three because we would have been three or two, because it came out in the summer. I would have been two when this came out. But it took me back to when I first so Jurassic Park 3 is I feel like that's our movie because that's when we were old enough really to really lock in and go movies for it, you know. Um but it just took me back to seeing these movies, and like this is why the word paleontology, um, paleontologist was in my vocabulary at like five years old. I mean, I literally told my mom I wanted to be a paleontologist just because like of seeing I guess I had to have seen this God, like a year or so after it came out because by five years old, I was like locked, I was like, Yeah, dinosaurs, like I'm gonna find them, you know, like that was my whole thing. Um so you know, for for some of the things we did nitpicks and we make jokes on it, like at the end of the day, this is a goaded movie, it's amazing. Um, I I also appreciated you did gloss over the terrible science with the the mosquito and amber reanimation thing. Um what I did note, I did appreciate that the movie did not yada yada the science, and they actually did try and explain it in a way that non-scientists and children would be like, oh wow, that's fucking awesome. They did what? Oh my gosh, that's so cool. The drawback is that there's a generation of us who grew up thinking that our bullshit is correct, so that's problematic, I suppose. But I they did they cared enough to be like, no man, this is how it happened. This is the science and the genetics and the genes. Like, they didn't run away from any of that shit, even though it wasn't.
SPEAKER_05It sounded legit. As a kid, I assumed if I found a uh I was looking for a freaking mosquito in Amber, like, oh shit, yeah, I could I could bring a dinosaur back.
SPEAKER_06What's whose blood is in here? You know, like, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I don't know. So this fucking cave, man. Like, who's the I don't know, but yeah. This fucking movie rocks. We all know. We all know at this point DNA didn't work like that. DNA fucking degrades on time. And six 65 million years ago, it don't care how encased and preserved that mosquito is. That shit is gone.
SPEAKER_06We could barely for them to just like fill in genes with other animals, like that's just a thing, you know? Like, okay, I guess, but yeah. So you know. Yeah. All right. I'm good.
SPEAKER_05You want to get into scoring?
SPEAKER_06Let's
Scoring Breakdown And Final Ratings
SPEAKER_06rate this thing. For any newcomers, we rate our movies based on five categories: plot and writing, acting, casting, production cinematography, music and sound, and cultural impact. Everything is rated on a scale of one to ten. Jill, plot and writing, what you got?
SPEAKER_05Alright, so the plot itself we we we bashed it. I mean, we've talked about it. Uh for a three-year-old, five-year-old, seven-year-old, you know, iconic. But once you get into the actual science, you're like, absolutely not. But they did it, I I I actually I was gonna give them a lower score until you just brought up that last point of they didn't shy away from it. They explained it, explained it wrongly, but they did it. And I'm gonna give them the flowers for that. So for plot and writing, I'm gonna give them a six.
SPEAKER_06Okay, you give them a six. So you're gonna have to help me out here because you gotta let me know if I'm overdoing it. Because I have an eight for plot and writing. I was floating between that and a seven. Um and I scored this before we spoke. So maybe, maybe based on our discussion, it has to go down to a seven. So that's what I'll do. I'll I'll put it as seven. My scores only go up from here though. So don't don't it just goes up. Okay. Uh acting and casting, what do you got?
SPEAKER_05I think they had a solid group of ca of actors. I mean, Jeff Globoom, Steele movie. You know, I wish you could see more of him. You do see more of him in the in uh in Jurassic Park 2. Um but you know, he brings pure Oh, I thought you were gonna say no. Pure charisma, sarcasm, Sam Neil, he gives that nice like emotional arc without overdoing it, that childlike wonder. Um kind of like it was amazing to see like a grown adult uh kind of dream just come come true essentially in front of their eyes. So um I think they did a great job. Laura Dern did a great job. So I give them a eight for that.
SPEAKER_06I have a nine for the acting and casting. Um while there may not have been, I guess, groundbreaking roles happen happening, um everybody was perfect in their role, as you said, and they are each iconic for different reasons. Uh those three main um you know actors in their role, and even so much so with with with Jeff Goldblum coming back in subsequent movies, and then even Sam Neil and Laura Dern popping up later in some of the legacy films. So just for the perfectness in their role, not saying that these are the greatest actors we've ever seen do their thing, but for what they were doing here, it was amazing. I have a nine.
SPEAKER_05Oh, I like it. Even Wayne Knight, even if he was an idiot, like he played the role well, you know. Yeah. What he was given, yeah, it worked. So yeah, I think a solid eight is good. Or solid nine, that's cool too, but yeah, I'm gonna go with eight.
SPEAKER_06Production, cinematography, and visuals, what you have. This one's we're gonna fight on this one. I feel it.
SPEAKER_05This one's difficult because I'm trying to I'm trying to leave I'm trying to leave my mind in 1993. But I'm finding it hard to do that. Um if this was 1993 and I was scoring it, I would give it a 10.
SPEAKER_04Right now, I'm gonna have to give it a seven.
SPEAKER_06So I give them a nine. And the reason it's not a ten is because of the right now that you're talking about. However, in 1993, this was nominated for Best Visual Effects by the Academy Award, and they won. So, like, all you have to think, like to put that in perspective, too, like the influence this movie had in the CGI, the animatronics, all of that stuff, the technology went into this movie, helped to spawn a new generation of filmmaking and and you know uh the technology used in in visuals. So, off of that alone, I'm gonna give them a nine. I understand we talked about, we laughed about the CGI. It looks a little ah, but that's in 2026. You know, in 1993, this was cutting edge shit, and I'm gonna give them their flowers for it, so they have a nine. Alright.
SPEAKER_05Alright.
SPEAKER_06Did I swear you? No.
SPEAKER_05I can I can give it an eight.
SPEAKER_06There it is. All right, let's go, let's get it. Woo! All right. Music and sound.
SPEAKER_05It's no question, 10. 10.
SPEAKER_06Moving on.
SPEAKER_05John Williams will always be a 10. Yeah, it doesn't matter what you could freaking do a commercial and I don't give it a 10. Like it will always be a 10.
SPEAKER_06So it is what it is. Um, and then cultural impact. What do you have for that one?
SPEAKER_05That's a great question. I I want to give it a 10 because it's born uh a franchise. They're on number five or five right now, coming out soon there.
SPEAKER_06I think there's seven movies, man.
SPEAKER_05Was it seven? I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_06Because there was three um in this era here, and then they did the legacy stuff with with Chris Pratt. He got three movies, correct? I don't know. I think he got three.
SPEAKER_01I know for sure two.
SPEAKER_06I think he got three, and then we just had the one with Mahershula and um Scarlet Scar Joe. So I think it's I think it's seven movies total.
SPEAKER_04I really like that one. Alright. Um, okay, so seven.
SPEAKER_05Um, so okay, so we have that the CGI at its time is uh revolutionary, right? And it influenced a lot of things later on. I mean, the fact that this has been parody, like Family Guy has done it, you know, there's been like mentions of it, like to SNL and just regular day life. You say everybody starts swaying, so I'll give it a 10. You got a 10 for me. You got a 10.
SPEAKER_06You I don't know, I don't know how many people have just never seen this movie, you know. Um this is true.
SPEAKER_05I've never met someone who says they've never watched Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_06I've got adults, we're talking about the air, right? Like, I don't know what adults and even if they haven't seen it, have never heard of it. Like, nah, man, like this. I think this is the quintessential 10. We've never, nope, not never. Oh, we've given some 10s out already. Interesting. So we give a 10 for New Jack City. Who else has gotten a 10? We give New Jack City a 10 for Cultural Impact. We give she, we unanimously gave it a 10. For she's gotta have it, we also give it a 10. And then for Scream, you give it a 10, I give it a 9. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay. So um I might have to bring down those other ones because I think this is more cultural impact.
SPEAKER_06I know, I know. I I think for the She's Gotta Have It one. We were arguing for this being Spike's first movie and the career that it led him onto afterwards. I think that's how we justified the 10 for that one. New Jack City. Yeah. While we did love that movie, I'm not sure if 10 should be for that one.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I might have to bring those. I might have to bring all of those down a point. Yeah, I we're gonna have to. So you always have to level set.
SPEAKER_06I know.
SPEAKER_05You know, once you see other movies and you're like, okay, this is my level of 10, then the other ones are like, it's not like it has a New Jack City franchise. It's it's highly quotable, sure.
SPEAKER_06But I just I think I just figured out what our one-year pod is gonna be. We need to do a rescoring every year. Just go through and just check. So that'll be a September pod. But but anywho, uh back to Jurassic Park. 10. You know, I I saw in um because I did watch it on Prime, you know, Prime gives you the trivia and the facts and everything. And um it talked about how there was interest in dinosaurs paleontology was down due to the atomic age and the space race. And after this movie, that there was a spike in in kids being interested and then actually going into the field of paleontology to the point of where we're like discovering like 50 new species a year, which would equate to one a week, you know. Um so from the real-world application of giving people interest in this career and us having more discovery, and then all the other stuff we talked about, like just childhood and and pop culture. This movie is the 10, is the 10est of tens for cultural impact that we have talked about thus far. Um, yeah, so final scores, you have an 8.4 overall, and I have a nine for Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_05That's gonna be your highest, huh?
SPEAKER_06It definitely is. I think it's easily my highest. Yeah, yeah. And I feel good about that. Like, I'm not gonna regret that one at all. Predator is an 8.2. I always go back to look at Predator. Oh my gosh, that's too funny. That's a crazy work. That's too funny. All right. Well, well, that will do it for our Real Talk and banter on Jurassic Park.
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